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Well, because that's where Microsoft is coming from - a fully featured OS is being locked down to Microsoft services. Locking down a system for special environments can already be done in other ways and if that was the only goal Microsoft could have developed an easy to use tool for schools to whitelist programs. This is not what Windows is about in general, it never was, it's easy to see how Windows is different from Chrome OS or whatever other OS. It's different and people use it because it offers things that the others don't. Some people were saying that Windows 10 S wouldn't be a problem because it would be limited to the education sector.

Well, this laptop is being made by Microsoft itself, it isn't an OEM that picks up Chrome OS and puts it where it wants. When it's Microsoft giving that kind of signal, you'd have to really want Windows to fail to buy into this. A locked down Windows is no better than anything else out there. In fact, it's much worse because the Windows Store pales in comparison to everything else, if you're the walled garden type. Windows RT showed that pretty well. This isn't what people expect of Windows.

And not being a fully functional browser, well, that's true. Whenever you click on a link from an e-mail or a document or an application, it will open in the Edge browser, so it's not fully functional in that sense. It's like saying that a car that has one of the wheels in the trunk is fully functional, except that you have to manually put the wheel where it belongs every time you want to drive the car. It's not practical to do it, everybody knows it, starting with Microsoft; they're banking on it.

The tool you're describing in your first paragraph is Group Policy. It's been around for some time now.

Windows can only ever be the Windows that everyone knows and nothing less or more? I disagree and think a company should be able to create whatever they think fits a market. The Google Chromebook Pixel started at $1,300.

No no, Windows won't be as fully functional as other versions, because allowing different default applications is an OS functionality....you don't change the default applications Windows uses in Chrome or any other application.
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IF Microsoft could have pulled off the android app in windows os no of this would matters. To us choice matters but to the "real" world they don't care how they get it as long as they can get it be it a full fledged OS or a locked down walled in garden. If people can click a app and get to there bank they don't really care who is providing it or what OS is doing it. I just came off a Windows 10 phone and I really hated leaving it. The phone was super fast, smooth running and responsive. The killer of it? Microsoft did not have the apps that Google or Apple has. I had facebook, bank of america and maybe a few others but that was it. Being able to access data at a whim is the ultimate goal of any computer user. Wait what was this conversation about originally?

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And If I were forced to buy one of those two devices for my mother, I'd pick the absurdly overpriced chromebook, as it is the solution that will result in fewer headaches for both of us. That said, no one is actually forcing me to buy either, so instead, she gets a $300 chromebook.

The problem is MS is trying to compete with ChromeOS with a gimped version of Windows 10, which is currently tied to an expensive laptop. They might as well be trying to compete with the Boing 747 by releasing an RC quadcopter that can only be purchased with a new Jeep, and comes with a missing rotor that can be bought later for an additional $50 or requested for free if you are a student.

Since you've edited this so drastically, I'll quote it again.

Good, get what works best for you.

You're comparing two gimped OS's. One of them has an upgrade path to a full feature OS for either free or $49.

The original Google Chromebook Pixel was $1,300. Please stop using the Surface Laptop as an example.
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Well, because that's where Microsoft is coming from - a fully featured OS is being locked down to Microsoft services. Locking down a system for special environments can already be done in other ways and if that was the only goal Microsoft could have developed an easy to use tool for schools to whitelist programs. This is not what Windows is about in general, it never was, it's easy to see how Windows is different from Chrome OS or whatever other OS. It's different and people use it because it offers things that the others don't. Some people were saying that Windows 10 S wouldn't be a problem because it would be limited to the education sector.

Well, this laptop is being made by Microsoft itself, it isn't an OEM that picks up Chrome OS and puts it where it wants. When it's Microsoft giving that kind of signal, you'd have to really want Windows to fail to buy into this. A locked down Windows is no better than anything else out there. In fact, it's much worse because the Windows Store pales in comparison to everything else, if you're the walled garden type. Windows RT showed that pretty well. This isn't what people expect of Windows.

And not being a fully functional browser, well, that's true. Whenever you click on a link from an e-mail or a document or an application, it will open in the Edge browser, so it's not fully functional in that sense. It's like saying that a car that has one of the wheels in the trunk is fully functional, except that you have to manually put the wheel where it belongs every time you want to drive the car. It's not practical to do it, everybody knows it, starting with Microsoft; they're banking on it.

The tool you're describing in your first paragraph is Group Policy. It's been around for some time now.

Windows can only ever be the Windows that everyone knows and nothing less or more? I disagree and think a company should be able to create whatever they think fits a market. The Google Chromebook Pixel started at $1,300.

No no, Windows won't be as fully functional as other versions, because allowing different default applications is an OS functionality....you don't change the default applications Windows uses in Chrome or any other application.

Even easier than Group Policy, so that every IT guy even in the smallest of schools knows how to configure it.

It can be more; less, as is the case, is a disadvantage from where it is coming from. I just looked at the prices in Europe and it boggles the mind how anybody would buy this in the first place and opt to stay with the locked down Windows 10 S (even more so as Bing in Europe delivers worse results than Google), but whatever.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/renders-and-images-show-unannounced-microsoft-surface-laptop.html



And the Google Chromebook Pixel? Well, it was a ridiculous offer, what can I say? One company making a mistake doesn't justify others making the same.

I know "allowing different default applications is an OS functionality". What I was implying is that you could get around the locked default browser by manually copying (where possible) the URL from the source you're using - e-mail, document, another application, and pasting it in a third party browser (if any become available on the Windows Store, that is), but that isn't practical with repeated use.
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I miss when good tech news were a thing. Sure, we get more powerful hardware every year, but that's to be expected. Software and gadgets are a trip down the toilet.

Seriously, what the hell....
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What a bad article.
ChromeOS is worth while but a Microsoft OS that does the same thing...except more, is less than? That doesn't make sense.
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Since you've edited this so drastically, I'll quote it again.

Good, get what works best for you.

You're comparing two gimped OS's. One of them has an upgrade path to a full feature OS for either free or $49.

The original Google Chromebook Pixel was $1,300. Please stop using the Surface Laptop as an example.

Let's clear this up then.

The original Chromebook was not Google's Pixel. The Pixel was put out in 2013 in an attempt to tap the "buys macbook pro just because it looks shiny" market, and was frankly pretty dumb. Chromebooks were being sold by Acer, Samsung, and a handful of others for an entire two years prior to that. Most of them cost less than $400 at launch, and offered some real tangible benefits (much better battery life, lower weight, nearly instant startup and shutdown, no moving parts, etc) over the only alternative at the time (extreme low end W8 RTM machines).

Windows 10 S on the other hand, is currently available in exactly one system - The Surface Laptop you really want us not to look at for some reason. There is no third party $400 or less option.

As for the operating systems themselves (rather than the systems you can use them on), both are extremely limited in their capabilities. They can more or less do the same types of things, and in the same types of ways. The difference is ChromeOS was actually built from the ground up to do those things and nothing else, while W10S is W10 with features stripped out.ChromeOS offers a much better user experience despite doing the same things at the end of the day (especially for the kind of user who would be in the market for either option, i.e. computer illiterates who just want to get their facebooks and youtubes and are likely to break something if they're given the option). Furthermore, the Play Store is substantially larger and richer than the W10 store.

Yes, W10S can be upgraded to W10 pro, which being a full featured OS obviously offers a whole lot over Chrome OS, but then you aren't talking about W10S anymore. So once you remove the cop out that W10S can be upgraded to something actually useful, you see that W10S basically has no market while ChromeOS does (even if you and I aren't part of that market).
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"This bad thing isn't bad because some else did it so it's OK..."

Nope. 10 S and Chrome OS are two operating systems I will think twice about using.

I don't like how MS is starting to try and emulate Apple at the moment either. If they continue down this road I can see Linux becoming more popular, although I doubt it will ever overtake Windows / OSx for the majority of home users..

I always thought MS tried being like Apple with Win8 as Win8 looked similar no matter the device with the tiles and no start menu. Phones and desktops were similar. Except Apple just integrated the OSs better with their features instead of copy-pasting an OS GUI. I think they tried and failed then.
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Guys this is for a different market and not meant to replace other OS.

Though looks like a Windows RT remake....
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Let's clear this up then.

The original Chromebook was not Google's Pixel. The Pixel was put out in 2013 in an attempt to tap the "buys macbook pro just because it looks shiny" market, and was frankly pretty dumb. Chromebooks were being sold by Acer, Samsung, and a handful of others for an entire two years prior to that. Most of them cost less than $400 at launch, and offered some real tangible benefits (much better battery life, lower weight, nearly instant startup and shutdown, no moving parts, etc) over the only alternative at the time (extreme low end W8 RTM machines).

Windows 10 S on the other hand, is currently available in exactly one system - The Surface Laptop you really want us not to look at for some reason. There is no third party $400 or less option.

As for the operating systems themselves (rather than the systems you can use them on), both are extremely limited in their capabilities. They can more or less do the same types of things, and in the same types of ways. The difference is ChromeOS was actually built from the ground up to do those things and nothing else, while W10S is W10 with features stripped out.ChromeOS offers a much better user experience despite doing the same things at the end of the day (especially for the kind of user who would be in the market for either option, i.e. computer illiterates who just want to get their facebooks and youtubes and are likely to break something if they're given the option). Furthermore, the Play Store is substantially larger and richer than the W10 store.

Yes, W10S can be upgraded to W10 pro, which being a full featured OS obviously offers a whole lot over Chrome OS, but then you aren't talking about W10S anymore. So once you remove the cop out that W10S can be upgraded to something actually useful, you see that W10S basically has no market while ChromeOS does (even if you and I aren't part of that market).

I said the original Google Chromebook Pixel, as in the model name of the first Chromebook Google made. I thought making this comparison to the Surface Laptop was fair because they were/are both made by the OS's creator. There's no reason to believe an OEM won't install 10 S to a less expensive laptop or like device.

This article is about 10 S, not about the laptop it's currently not available on. I don't like Microsoft devices, but that 's irrelevant in this thread since it's not on topic. tpi actually brought up the device, not I.

Do you have a marketing degree? You say the same thing in different ways to make one sound more appealing even though you already said it's end result is the same. What does it matter if ChromeOS was made to do what it does and 10 S lost features compared to 10, when the end result is really all that matters? We're not criticizing the engineering decisions that went into each OS.
How do you know ChromeOS has a much better user experience? Are you a 10 S beta tester? Or am I chatting with you from the future? I could make the argument that most people have grown used to the way Windows works and therefor would have an easier time using it than ChromeOS. The Play Store is better, absolutely.

The upgrade to 10 Pro is a feature of Windows 10 S....it comes with it. Doesn't your comment about 10 S being a cop out make all versions of Windows other than Enterprise or Edu a cop out since they could just be upgraded? I don't think one loses ground because of it's ability to become something more useful than 10 S and ChromeOS.
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Even easier than Group Policy, so that every IT guy even in the smallest of schools knows how to configure it.

It can be more; less, as is the case, is a disadvantage from where it is coming from. I just looked at the prices in Europe and it boggles the mind how anybody would buy this in the first place and opt to stay with the locked down Windows 10 S (even more so as Bing in Europe delivers worse results than Google), but whatever.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/renders-and-images-show-unannounced-microsoft-surface-laptop.html



And the Google Chromebook Pixel? Well, it was a ridiculous offer, what can I say? One company making a mistake doesn't justify others making the same.

I know "allowing different default applications is an OS functionality". What I was implying is that you could get around the locked default browser by manually copying (where possible) the URL from the source you're using - e-mail, document, another application, and pasting it in a third party browser (if any become available on the Windows Store, that is), but that isn't practical with repeated use.

I'm not interested in specifying what I meant in each statement, so I'm done chatting.

Pricing is available from Microsoft for the ridiculously expensive Surface Laptop - https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.5102691100/VID.5102691200/config.true/
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