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So did some testing at 4K with my Radeon 290 at 1100 mhz 6 ghz ddr5 ram overclock, was getting mid 50's to 60 FPS with drops into the 40's. Was only using a little over 3GB of ram on the card. How you ask? Vulkan, all settings ultra except : shadows low, virtual page texturing high, depth of field off, depth of field anti aliasing off, motion blur on low ( who uses this crap anyway? ), self shadow off, film grain off.

Biggest difference is shadows, every time... shadows are absolutely the most demanding effect to render in most titles, turn it off, and watch your old gpu become a super hero. Who needs a Geforce 1080 anyway? ( haha im joking ) thumb.gif
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Interesting point.
Lately there has been a lot of stir on the forums when it comes to Nvidia's shenanigans with releasing slightly faster cards in a short period of time. Some user feel as if they are being milked.
At the same time, AMD's getting roasted for "only" having an RX480/580 as their best option.

In reality, if you turn down a few settings, an RX580 is gonna do great, even at 4k. And you won't even notice the difference in graphical quality.
When you are emerged in gameplay, you're not really gonna be paying attention to how amazing the AA filter looks on the shadows in the distance, if you do, then that kinda says more about you. or how boring the game is.

So do we really need that 1080ti or upcoming 2080/ti? No, we actually don't. We're (not me, us in general) are just so spoiled with 4k, 144hz and high frame rates that we can't bare to go back.
Personally, i'm glad i opted out for getting the high end stuff. I simply don't see the point in dropping thousands of dollars for hardware that will add 5% quality to my gaming experience, opposed to a $700 build.

Sorry if this was a bit off topic. Just wanted to share my thoughts as your initial post shows that you don't need to throw tons of money at your system to be able to game properly.

EDIT - Just wanted to add, i am in no way meaning to critisize those who do spend a lot on their system. Nor am i saying it's bad/stupid or similar. To each their own! thumb.gif
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FineWine.
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Interesting point.
Lately there has been a lot of stir on the forums when it comes to Nvidia's shenanigans with releasing slightly faster cards in a short period of time. Some user feel as if they are being milked.
At the same time, AMD's getting roasted for "only" having an RX480/580 as their best option. In reality, if you turn down a few settings, an RX580 is gonna do great, even at 4k.

You basically summed it up quite nicely in general. Theres nothing wrong with throwing money at high end graphics. But it is a bit much and a waste of money to do it every single generation, unless you make most of your money back on your previous card. You can get away with 4 GB of ram for 4K, all you gotta know is which settings put the most load on your available ram space and tone it down. 2 radeon rx580's right now crossfired for $460 is a steal for 4K performance, it will easily keep you at 60 fps and its got 8gb ram to boot.

I started out on a radeon 9800 pro way back in the day when Everquest and Warcraft 3 were the games to play. Moved up to a 8800 GTS when Nvidia released the G80 series, and then for my new core 2 duo rig my Dad got me the 4870 for my birthday. That 4870 at the time was one of the best cards I had ever owned. After that I went up to crossfire 5870's on launch day, sold them ( made most of my money back ) and went single card with a geforce 580 on launch day. That card lasted me a years till I moved up to my geforce 1080 amp extreme ( which my brother has in his rig right now ) to my geforce 1080ti I got on launch day from EVGA. Its been a fun ride and I may SLI my 1080ti's for fun but I think ill be happy for a long time with what I got biggrin.gif
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You're right about not needing a flagship card to run 4K. Doom is a great example of a well optimized game that makes full use of the Gpu resources . Unfortunately there are many game developers that will not invest the time. The state of games and PC optimization on release day is getting worse with huge day 1 patches larger that whole games were just a few years ago. We shouldn't need a monster GPU like the 1080 Ti to get acceptable framerates at 4K. Hopefully more game engines in the future will be properly optimized based on Dx12/Vulcan so a $200 Gpu can do 4k@60. Until then I will have to make due with either Vega or the mighty 1080 Ti.biggrin.gif
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So did some testing at 4K with my Radeon 290 at 1100 mhz 6 ghz ddr5 ram overclock, was getting mid 50's to 60 FPS with drops into the 40's. Was only using a little over 3GB of ram on the card. How you ask? Vulkan, all settings ultra except : shadows low, virtual page texturing high, depth of field off, depth of field anti aliasing off, motion blur on low ( who uses this crap anyway? ), self shadow off, film grain off.

Biggest difference is shadows, every time... shadows are absolutely the most demanding effect to render in most titles, turn it off, and watch your old gpu become a super hero. Who needs a Geforce 1080 anyway? ( haha im joking ) thumb.gif


This is great for you! A lot of users don't realize that a lot of modern graphics effects simply consume resources while offering little to no improvement in image quality that is noticeable. Maybe it's because I'm getting older and my vision is bad but I can't notice the difference between having a lot of these options on or off, other than a lower framerate and more heat. I don't run 4K but I run 5760x1080 Eyefinity, which is only 2 million pixels less. I have two Fury's, which is quite a bit more powerful than a single R9 290, but Doom doesn't support Crossfire and neither do most other recent games. Even in games that DO support Crossfire, I still turn quite a bit of options off, which improves frame rate (particularly minimums) and puts less stress on the cards, and in turn, produces less heat.

I usually turn all post processing off, set shadows to medium or low (depending on game), turn off SSAO, turn off motion blur, and use FXAA. In addition, I disable tessellation, turn down AF, and turn on V-Sync in the drivers and in the game. To me, the games still look great and they run much more fluid with less heat.

Try playing around with V-Sync, Power Efficiency mode (aka Radeon Chill), Frame Rate Limit Control, and Frame Pacing. I turn all of these on, and still maintain 60fps in every game I have with the cards running very cool with low fan speeds. In both Tomb Raider titles I maintain 60fps, no stutter, and my cards top out at 45C and 40C respectively (and they're in Crossfire!). Do note, however, in some games you will need Power Efficiency OFF or you'll get bad stutter, Dragon Age Inquisition seems to be the worst offender. Hope these tips help.

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Interesting point.
Lately there has been a lot of stir on the forums when it comes to Nvidia's shenanigans with releasing slightly faster cards in a short period of time. Some user feel as if they are being milked.
At the same time, AMD's getting roasted for "only" having an RX480/580 as their best option.

In reality, if you turn down a few settings, an RX580 is gonna do great, even at 4k. And you won't even notice the difference in graphical quality.
When you are emerged in gameplay, you're not really gonna be paying attention to how amazing the AA filter looks on the shadows in the distance, if you do, then that kinda says more about you. or how boring the game is.

So do we really need that 1080ti or upcoming 2080/ti? No, we actually don't. We're (not me, us in general) are just so spoiled with 4k, 144hz and high frame rates that we can't bare to go back.
Personally, i'm glad i opted out for getting the high end stuff. I simply don't see the point in dropping thousands of dollars for hardware that will add 5% quality to my gaming experience, opposed to a $700 build.

Sorry if this was a bit off topic. Just wanted to share my thoughts as your initial post shows that you don't need to throw tons of money at your system to be able to game properly.

EDIT - Just wanted to add, i am in no way meaning to critisize those who do spend a lot on their system. Nor am i saying it's bad/stupid or similar. To each their own! thumb.gif

Actually I would have to disagree, right now a used R9 Fury is the best option if you want to go AMD and want to do a high resolution. You can get one of my cards (with a supremely excellent cooler) for about $225 USD on Ebay. It is still very much faster than the RX 480 or 580, particularly at resolutions higher than 1440p.

I paid $600 for my Crossfire pair at the end of last year (they were new in box) when at the time, the GTX 1080 was $700. And certainly, (any not-braindead rabid Nvidia fan) anyone would tell you that a pair of Fury's smoke a GTX 1080, at least in games that support Crossfire.

With the recent driver improvements from AMD squeezing yet more performance out of these cards, I am anywhere from 80% to 95% close to an overclocked GTX 1080ti in many benchmarks. In rare games and cases, the performance is actually better. For far less money.

I'm happy with my setup now and don't plan on upgrading til 2019; though I have a long backlog of older titles I need to play, that all run flawlessly at 60fps ("maxed out" if I so choose) on my setup. So until this thing can't play some recent game I really want to play (and this is rare because I'm a hipster more or less and don't play many popular games and don't play online), I am satisfied. I am pretty certain I will run into VRAM issues with my Fury's (4GB frown.gif ) long before the actual chips become irrelevant due to lack of processing resources. If the Fury had 8GB GDDR5 instead of 4GB HBM, they would remain relevant for years to come.
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I beat doom @ 4k with nightmare shadows with a fury x. Theres a way to enable mightmare shadows on 4gb through steam
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4GB will still be fine for years even at 4K, you just gotta know what settings to turn down to get it under 4GB. I did it with Doom, and it will be easy to do in future titles.
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I beat doom @ 4k with nightmare shadows with a fury x. Theres a way to enable mightmare shadows on 4gb through steam
Nice! What was your core clock? What FPS were you seeing?
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