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post #11 of 25
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to take this a step father I removed my SSD and my HDD from the system and did a clean format of the drives, this also did not remove the windows boot manager from my system BIOS, even though there was no MBR on either of the drives when I put them back in the system.

the only thing that removed it was a flash of the BIOS.

I also can not find any ligature from Microsoft, that says any of there updates will do this. wink.gif
Edited by toolmaker03 - 5/4/17 at 2:20pm
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by toolmaker03 View Post

to take this a step father I removed my SSD and my HDD from the system and did a clean format of the drives, this also did not remove the windows boot manager from my system, even though there was no MBR on either of the drives when I put them back in the system.

the only think that removed it was a flash of the BIOS.

What I am guessing happened is your bios/uefi was running in UEFI mode, you removed drives, likely formatted them to MBR instead of GPT, flashed bios causing the bios to default to legacy mode and installed windows on the MBR drive in legacy mode vs UEFI.
this is my best assumption. If I was a psychic and knew how you performed everything step for step, detail for detail I would definitely be in another line of work.

I think my current profile pic sums it up perfectly wink.gif
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by toolmaker03 View Post

to take this a step father I removed my SSD and my HDD from the system and did a clean format of the drives, this also did not remove the windows boot manager from my system BIOS, even though there was no MBR on either of the drives when I put them back in the system.

the only thing that removed it was a flash of the BIOS.

I also can not find any ligature from Microsoft, that says any of there updates will do this. wink.gif

Maybe you are just put off by the different placement of the menus
Windows boot manager generally looks like this


What you are looking at is to get to that menu with the black screen and OS choices.

Do you really think an "infection" would be THAT obvious? People that infect your computer want whatever exploit/trojan/virus to stay hidden in your PC not to make it so obvious that you know to get rid of it.

Hackers/Exploiters/Virus creators don't make money by disrupting your PC, they make money by stealing your information. There is zero incentive to do mess with you and only time/money/effort/penalty to lose.

Be more careful of flash/javascript exploits over these things...
Edited by b0oMeR - 5/4/17 at 2:27pm
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by XanderTheGoober View Post

What I am guessing happened is your bios/uefi was running in UEFI mode, you removed drives, likely formatted them to MBR instead of GPT, flashed bios causing the bios to default to legacy mode and installed windows on the MBR drive in legacy mode vs UEFI.
this is my best assumption. If I was a psychic and knew how you performed everything step for step, detail for detail I would definitely be in another line of work.

I think my current profile pic sums it up perfectly wink.gif

well I do not find it normal at all. and I am running in UEFI the pic of my BIOS clearly shows that fact.

until Microsoft is willing to release a statement that states they are the ones that created this, I will continue to remove it, every time It shows up.
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by toolmaker03 View Post

well I do not find it normal at all. and I am running in UEFI the pic of my BIOS clearly shows that fact.

until Microsoft is willing to release a statement that states they are the ones that created this, I will continue to remove it, every time It shows up.

How deep is your understanding of a computer?

Windows boot manager did create it, but generally if you only have one operating system on the HDD, it won't show it because it doesn't need to give you the boot manager menu to pick an OS, it automatically picks the one and only.

Try hitting F8 during boot, you'll hit the windows boot manager.
post #16 of 25
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software wise, not much, hardware wise, I am a electronics engineer, so I understand how hardware works very well. wink.gif.
post #17 of 25
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software wise, not much, hardware wise, I am a electronics engineer, so I understand how hardware works very well. wink.gif.

Try to see if you can get to the menu I posted in my last post on pg 2.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by b0oMeR View Post

Maybe you are just put off by the different placement of the menus
Windows boot manager generally looks like this


What you are looking at is to get to that menu with the black screen and OS choices.

Do you really think an "infection" would be THAT obvious? People that infect your computer want whatever exploit/trojan/virus to stay hidden in your PC not to make it so obvious that you know to get rid of it.

Hackers/Exploiters/Virus creators don't make money by disrupting your PC, they make money by stealing your information. There is zero incentive to do mess with you and only time/money/effort/penalty to lose.

Be more careful of flash/javascript exploits over these things...

I can access that menu from startup after a restart or shout down it is part of the boot menu screen.

it does not show up in my BIOS though..
post #19 of 25
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Windows has a habit of resetting mine to \EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi and I have to reset it with bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\refind\refind_x64.efi as I don't want the Windows one.

I've not narrowed down when it does this exactly. Upgrading or clean installing Windows definitely does. So does dual-booting and doing something that messes with the firmware settings (turning on bitlocker for example, some bootrec commands)..

So to answer your question, yes it is normalish at least for me.

if you had read this, you would have realized that even this guy cant figure out where it is coming from. thumb.gif

but he has to keep removing it like some kind of virus.

https://www.tenforums.com/installation-upgrade/32127-uefi-windows-boot-manager.html

but you guys don't seem to find that as describing a virus at all. rolleyes.gif

I sorry but I can not fathom why anyone would accept this as normal.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 5/4/17 at 3:29pm
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by toolmaker03 View Post

Windows has a habit of resetting mine to \EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi and I have to reset it with bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\refind\refind_x64.efi as I don't want the Windows one.

I've not narrowed down when it does this exactly. Upgrading or clean installing Windows definitely does. So does dual-booting and doing something that messes with the firmware settings (turning on bitlocker for example, some bootrec commands)..

So to answer your question, yes it is normalish at least for me.

if you had read this, you would have realized that even this guy cant figure out where it is coming from. thumb.gif

but he has to keep removing it like some kind of virus.

https://www.tenforums.com/installation-upgrade/32127-uefi-windows-boot-manager.html

but you guys don't seem to find that describing at all. rolleyes.gif

I sorry but I can not fathom why anyone would accept this as normal.

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from second post
"Unlike BIOS, UEFI does not rely on a boot sector, defining instead a boot manager as part of the UEFI specification. When a computer is powered on, the boot manager checks the boot configuration and, based on its settings, loads and executes the specified operating system loader or operating system kernel"

He is describing something called the hypervisor.

It is theoretically very very very difficult for someone to infect that level of hardware. If they were to do it, this would be the least of your worries and many industries would be hampered from data loss.

Don't worry , this is normal, maybe not for your everyday uses but it is normal for a PC to decide itself which kernel to use. If you only have one , then it won't even show you the menu but it needs a boot manager to load the OS.

I'm not sure why the fear of infection is so great. No one would make it that obvious that you've been infected.
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