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even with windows 10 OEM system starter disk, the windows boot manager, is not part of the programming on that disk.
it is not on my windows 8 disk
or my windows 7 disk
it is also not part of my windows XP disk
or my windows 98 disk
so it is not part of the original programming for any of windows operating systems. thumb.gif

there are also installation quarks that this programming creates.when installing windows.

with a system that has had this programming for windows boot manager, completely removed, from the motherboard. the installation disk for any of the windows operating systems, will only create two partitions of your HDD or SSD, this to me is normal.

with windows boot manger still on the motherboard when installing from disk the installer for windows will create four partitions on your HDD or SSD, this to me again, is very abnormal.

this programming is not just on the hard drives, if it was it would not bother me so much, it was in my BIOS, that is the part of this program that is upsetting me so much

if someone could explain to me why there is a reason for a program to integrate it's self into the BIOS of a motherboard, than I am all ears????

here is a simple test for all you disbelievers if this was part of the MBR that is only in your HDD or SSD than you should be able to disconnect your HDD or SSD from the PC boot into BIOS and the windows boot manager should not be there.

if the windows boot manager is still present in your BIOS, than the programming needed for the motherboard to understand what it is, is not just present on the HDD or SSD, because at this point, they have been completely removed from the PC.

I can already tell you that you will still have access to the windows boot manager from the BIOS with the HDD or SSD removed. thumb.gif
the windows boot manager, will also tell you, that a valid boot disk is not present on the system. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Duality92 View Post

I've refrained myself from commenting for this very reason.

BIOS detects a bootable device and detects what it boots as in a string on the boot device and renames itself.

well the above test kind of puts a big hole in this theory of yours.

it's not like I mind have windows installed on my system and I don't mind that windows alters that programing whenever they want to.

the issue I have here is that a program has permanently altered the programming on my motherboard. I never agreed to that in any of my license agreements.

for that matter Microsoft has never even admitted to creating the windows boot manger in the first place. tongue.gif.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 5/4/17 at 6:05pm
post #22 of 25
That is not a 'BIOS virus'.

This is an Intel BIOS issue. It happens sometimes when performing low-level functions like partitioning/reformatting on SATA drives. Especially if you use something like diskcopy to transfer whole data sets among identical drives.

You should update your Motherboard BIOS and chipset drivers and afterwards thoroughly inspect the partition type/info on your drives.
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post #23 of 25
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That is not a 'BIOS virus'.

This is an Intel BIOS issue. It happens sometimes when performing low-level functions like partitioning/reformatting on SATA drives. Especially if you use something like diskcopy to transfer whole data sets among identical drives.

You should update your Motherboard BIOS and chipset drivers and afterwards thoroughly inspect the partition type/info on your drives.[/quote]

well that is a interesting view point but I have a AMD system that had the same issue.

yes formatting the SSD and HDD on a clean system other than the infected system and flashing the BIOS did fix all of the unnecessary programing and partitioning of the HDD and SSD

doing this also clears the windows boot manager from the BIOS so your point is kind of a mute point.

can you show me a system that has windows boot manager, as a option in BIOS, and that will only create two partitions on the HDD or SSD when installing a new or clean install of windows?

try to understand me here what I am upset about is that the windows boot manager had intergraded it's self into my BIOS.

when I removed my HDD and SSD from the system, if the windows boot manager had also been removed as a BIOS option. than there would have never even been a need for this post. what upset me is that I still had a windows boot manager in my BIOS after removing the HDD and the SSD from the system completely.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 5/4/17 at 6:39pm
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well that is a interesting view point but I have a AMD system that had the same issue.

yes formatting the SSD and HDD on a clean system other than the infected system and flashing the BIOS did fix all of the unnecessary programing and partitioning of the HDD and SSD

doing this also clears the windows boot manager from the BIOS so your point is kind of a mute point.

can you show me a system that has windows boot manager, and that will only create two partitions on the HDD or SDD when installing a new or clean install of windows?

Yes, the point is moot and we could discuss it ad nauseam.

In my experience, this type of problem seems to only appear when performing lower level disk functions with incorrect settings in the BIOS - usually running an old BIOS in UEFI mode, which is needed for very large disks, when it's not needed. Partitioning then gets pretty screwy. Namely, that the BIOS believes the disks are > 2TB in size. This causes partitions and formats to be misapplied (all disks are huge and then it craps out looking for a GPT and finds an MBR or vice versa... Having so many partitions on the disk, the BIOS will boot into Windows Boot Manager.

Probably not the case here, though...

I'm glad your problem is solved.
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post #25 of 25
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the fact that my PC system was infected with something is not what bothers me, I reformat all my PC systems every 6 month to a year for that exact reason they get infected with all sorts of stuff. .

this last time that I needed to reformat my systems, and for the first time ever, I also had to flash my BIOS to remove all of the infection, I am sorry if I have not been clear about what I am trying to say here. .
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