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500 USD ( less than half of 1089 USD ) for an unlocked 8 core competitor to the 6900K would still sell out. Maybe the ones below the 1800X could have memory OC unlocked?
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Do you have any info of the cost it takes to make a Ryzen chip?

Bundled with coolers show there is lots of margin on Ryzen chips. There is no cost reduction attempt with Ryzen. Unlike intel....

lol those were examples and their stock dropping like this shows many investors arent interested in it
if they dont hit projected numbers eveyone leaves but doesnt mean they do come back

Their stocks dropping is due to Goldman Scum short selling them so they can buy more than the 350 million worth they've already bought.

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500 USD ( less than half of 1089 USD ) for an unlocked 8 core competitor to the 6900K would still sell out. Maybe the ones below the 1800X could have memory OC unlocked?

So Intel ripping us off and AMD isn't = AMD makes little profit?

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This slight stock crash is a minor pump and dump in order to create panic and buy up shares. This is just a gentle rustle to have the weak give up their shares, the stock will go only up from this point on considering what AMD has ahead. Though Vega will have an impact on the speed of growth, the growth is already there due to how well Zen is doing. At this point, it all depends how quickly they will grow and if they will have anything new for laptop manufacturers come back to school shopping season.
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Of all the stupidity. The drop in price was strictly related to AMD not giving enough information regarding Vega & Naples during yesterday's Earnings Conference Call spooking many investors that ended up basically taking their profits now and walking away. Bird in the hand. Many might have stayed around but AMD gave them no reason to, in that uninspiring call. Not one "Legal" morsel or hint towards good things to come. 

 

It has nothing to do with multipliers. :doh: 

 

 

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This slight stock crash is a minor pump and dump in order to create panic and buy up shares. This is just a gentle rustle to have the weak give up their shares, the stock will go only up from this point on considering what AMD has ahead. Though Vega will have an impact on the speed of growth, the growth is already there due to how well Zen is doing. At this point, it all depends how quickly they will grow and if they will have anything new for laptop manufacturers come back to school shopping season.
 
I also agree that once a selling action occurs Wall Street will react and do what it does best. The sharks saw an opportunity, the stock was considered "oversold" and many will have snatched up shares considered cheap.

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The first mistake they made is thinking that 1) all motherboards are unlocked, 2) people actually know about overclocking, and 3) people will buy and overclock the cheapest chip. 1800X sales haven't been 0, after all. I can certainly say right now that I'd be much more willing to go AMD because the cheaper part is unlocked. If I have to spend $500 for an unlocked Ryzen when an unlocked i7 is $400, you better believe I'll go Intel (or at least more strongly consider it), while in reality, it's much harder to justify Intel when AMD offers a largely better platform (for my purposes) for less money. It's hard to say for sure what the impact due to unlocking everything was, but if I had to guess I would say it was somewhere between neutral and positive. thumb.gif

It's also very stupid to say that the Q1 results are indicative of Ryzen. They aren't, at all. Ryzen R7, the high-end expensive option, was only out for a single month that quarter and Ryzen R5 I don't think was out at all. That is a HEDT enthusiast platform. Once the R3s and APUs start rolling into consumer systems, and once Naples the dual-socket server platform is released, we can really see what Ryzen can do. But right now it's completely inappropriate to analyze even the effects of the initial enthusiast release.
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The first mistake they made is thinking that 1) all motherboards are unlocked, 2) people actually know about overclocking, and 3) people will buy and overclock the cheapest chip. 1800X sales haven't been 0, after all. I can certainly say right now that I'd be much more willing to go AMD because the cheaper part is unlocked. If I have to spend $500 for an unlocked Ryzen when an unlocked i7 is $400, you better believe I'll go Intel (or at least more strongly consider it), while in reality, it's much harder to justify Intel when AMD offers a largely better platform (for my purposes) for less money. It's hard to say for sure what the impact due to unlocking everything was, but if I had to guess I would say it was somewhere between neutral and positive. thumb.gif

It's also very stupid to say that the Q1 results are indicative of Ryzen. They aren't, at all. Ryzen R7, the high-end expensive option, was only out for a single month that quarter and Ryzen R5 I don't think was out at all. That is a HEDT enthusiast platform. Once the R3s and APUs start rolling into consumer systems, and once Naples the dual-socket server platform is released, we can really see what Ryzen can do. But right now it's completely inappropriate to analyze even the effects of the initial enthusiast release.

Yeah should be interesting to see if the APUs start making inroads on business desktop sales.
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I really hope many of you don't invest. The stock market is not built on concrete cause and effect of what a company does or doesn't do. AMD shares got too high too fast, they were overvalued, and the price dropped back to a level closer to what it should be. Any trader looking at the numbers, without even knowing the company, it's history, or what it does, could have predicted the price to fall after their rally pretty easily.

Goldman and many other companies would like you to believe that qualitative aspects of the market are all that matter because they can write the narrative. Then you have click bait articles like the toms one here grasping for straws to try and attribute something that will make like 0.1% difference to AMD's numbers in the end to a decent sized stock price slide. It is a freaking joke. Ryzen is still new and won't show a big impact on their financials for at least a few quarters, not to mention that they have only released a tiny amount of products that will be using the new architecture. Wait for the APUs, Server chips, Mobile, and custom designs to start rolling out. THAT is what will save AMD, not a freaking unlocked or locked multi on their enthusiast-non igp processors less than 3 months after release lol.
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called it when ryzen came out. there is virtually no point in buying the X models. amd needs to learn how to stratify their products like intel does

Actually there was, and lots of people still are buying the 1800x and 1700x because overclocking isn't something that everyone does. Just imagine all the Intel K line chips out there that have never had their multi's touched. I could argue that Intel's "stratifying" is actually losing them revenue, because people are smart enough to know that "hey I'm never going to overclock this so i can save money and get the locked variant". That is pretty much as valid, and dumb, as saying AMD is losing revenue by making all their chips unlocked.

If you want to spend 50% more on a 1800X to get 10% gain, you might as well get intel.
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But the thing is they are all just lower binned parts of the same chip, so essientially they are selling inferior parts better. Increasing their profit.
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