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Naples is an ultra-high end server chip, i doubt it'll even be released in large quantities, unless you pre-order a whole tray.

also, it would depend on Vega's target market, if it'll extend towards the $299 price point then they'll be able to dominate the entire market segment.
on the other hand if AMD were to limit Vega towards the $399+ market then they'd effectively shut off a large portion of the market.
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Gonna wait to see intel offerings but ill most likely be getting a 1800x. I already had the chance to get one off ebay for $350, but its not upgrade time yet.

Im tired of wasting time overclocking. I want the highest stock clock. Same with gpu when vega comes.
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There's no doubt that AMD has margin problems, a big portion of the investment community dumped their stock due to the reduced margins. It's apparent that part of the problem stems from the unlocked multi's, though. AMD is slashing prices on high end models because everyone is jumping on the cheap models.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-stock-slump-ryzen-cpu,34318.html

Just one opinion...

Why is Tom's Hardware doing comments regarding stock exchange? Will Barron's Financial Magazine do a hardware reviews?

Like when comedy show "A bit of Fry and Laurie" made a car review because Top Gear started to incorporate more humor?

If Tom's Hardware is recommending lower-priced CPUs, while commenting about same overclocking headroom, there is still the very same fact that majority of computer users does not give a damn about overclocking.

So I would rather not comment about quality of the article itself. Just Tom's Harware wants to pat themselves on the back in a manner "look how influential we are".
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TBQH, I was hoping that the naming schema would make more sense. 8x core parts as 18xx(X), 6x core parts as 16xx(X), and 4x core parts as 14xx(X). Make the non-X parts ~3.4ghz with 3.7ghz boost and the X parts 3.8ghz with 4.1 boost. This seems like a realistic set of target speeds based on the numbers we are seeing from our own voltage/frequency results.
yeah, and I don't like the R5/R7 nomenclature at all. It seems like a pointless attempt at sounding like i5/i7. Why does the R5 cover both 4 and 6 core SKU's? Why not R4, R6, R8? It's 1up from Intel's i3, i5, i7 instead of just an imitation
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yeah, and I don't like the R5/R7 nomenclature at all. It seems like a pointless attempt at sounding like i5/i7. Why does the R5 cover both 4 and 6 core SKU's? Why not R4, R6, R8? It's 1up from Intel's i3, i5, i7 instead of just an imitation

AMD is trolling Intel hard. Check the chipset names also, very close to Intel's naming convention.
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AMD is trolling Intel hard. Check the chipset names also, very close to Intel's naming convention.

yeah, in fact Intel's yet-to-be-announced B350 would collide with AMD's B350, its simply hilarious.
its quite likely that Intel would skip the 300 series for their next chipset altogether, AMD would probably use the 400 series as well though.
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TBQH, I was hoping that the naming schema would make more sense. 8x core parts as 18xx(X), 6x core parts as 16xx(X), and 4x core parts as 14xx(X). Make the non-X parts ~3.4ghz with 3.7ghz boost and the X parts 3.8ghz with 4.1 boost. This seems like a realistic set of target speeds based on the numbers we are seeing from our own voltage/frequency results.

Would have made the whole stack easier to understand for average consumers, though the pricing does not work out as nicely on shareholder reports.

I would guess it would have looked something like this (marketing seems to love ending prices on a 9, so went with that)...

1800X $499
1800 $419

1600X $329
1600 $269

1400X $219
1400 $169

ASP would likely be higher, but I don't have exact details on product mix numbers. I just weighted 1800(X) at 2, 1600(X) at 4, and 1400(X) at 3. With that product mix ASP would be right at $300. If someone can get a good guess at the current ASP I would love to hear your input.

I think we ended up with such a mashed up stack because AMD really wanted to disrupt the market. That would help their market share while the ASP hit was considered acceptable.

R7 = i7
R5 = i5
R3 = i3

Make sense now? mellowsmiley.gif

Tbqh, AMD numbering system has never made "sense". But this is the first time that it does. Everyone knows Intel segmenting system and now qh it doesn't take rocket science to understand AMD numbering.

Instead of a "k" designation for unlocked AMD went with an X. It was a solid way to stick it to Intel without encroaching on Intel's system.

I love it. yessir.gif

@Offler Fry and Laurie did a PARODY of Top Gear, they were not offended by Clarkson, May and the Hammond. It was all in good fun. wink.gif

I agree with the statement about how TH wants to break their arm patting themselves on the back. biggrin.gif

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Investors can complain all they want. AMD needs market share -- they need to wholesale, essentially, while the option is open to them.

Intel creates 60bn in revenue annually whereas AMD gets a mere 4bn. AMD needs to assume that Intel will respond, fast. Ryzen 1 needs to get out in mass quantities so that it can get the benefit of being taken seriously by MS, game devs, motherboard manufacturers, etc. Ryzen needs to get anointed in money / support this year so that Ryzen 2, 3 and 4 can be at their best.

AM4 will be the best weapon AMD has against whatever Intel has coming down the pipeline. The more AM4 boards that get sold this year, the better the chances are that AMD will retain these customers through the coming years. I think AMD is doing exactly the right thing by letting people with non-X variants overclock to achieve nearly the same clocks. X-series chips are for people with money to burn who don't want the hassle of playing 'silicon lottery.'

AMD is doing the right thing by getting their market presence back. I'm impressed, honestly; it's the kind of decision that must require a lot of restraint, considering they've been living under financial ruin for the last 8 years.
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Investors can complain all they want. AMD needs market share -- they need to wholesale, essentially, while the option is open to them.

Intel creates 60bn in revenue annually whereas AMD gets a mere 4bn. AMD needs to assume that Intel will respond, fast. Ryzen 1 needs to get out in mass quantities so that it can get the benefit of being taken seriously by MS, game devs, motherboard manufacturers, etc. Ryzen needs to get anointed in money / support this year so that Ryzen 2, 3 and 4 can be at their best.

AM4 will be the best weapon AMD has against whatever Intel has coming down the pipeline. The more AM4 boards that get sold this year, the better the chances are that AMD will retain these customers through the coming years. I think AMD is doing exactly the right thing by letting people with non-X variants overclock to achieve nearly the same clocks. X-series chips are for people with money to burn who don't want the hassle of playing 'silicon lottery.'

AMD is doing the right thing by getting their market presence back. I'm impressed, honestly; it's the kind of decision that must require a lot of restraint, considering they've been living under financial ruin for the last 8 years.

I agree though as Eric said, a lot of Enthusiasts who got or want X chips feel it would be worth the money because they have time to kill to get a stable clock. That's why I @ tagged him into the discussion.

That was why I got 1800x. ePeen and serious overclocking potential and agreed that I don't wish to deal with the Silicon lottery to get a good chip. I may have one and I may not. But I paid to play and I won't flip out if the max I can get on my custom loop is 4.1 if I get that I will be just as happy. If I don't, oh well. I will still have the ePeen. biggrin.gif lulz

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@Majin SSJ Eric
I agree though as Eric said, a lot of Enthusiasts who got or want X chips feel it would be worth the money because they have time to kill to get a stable clock. That's why I @ tagged him into the discussion.

That was why I got 1800x. ePeen and serious overclocking potential and agreed that I don't wish to deal with the Silicon lottery to get a good chip. I may have one and I may not. But I paid to play and I won't flip out if the max I can get on my custom loop is 4.1 if I get that I will be just as happy. If I don't, oh well. I will still have the ePeen. biggrin.gif lulz

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
So far it seems that there isn't much difference in overclocking potential. There never really is, though. Intel's binning seems to net you more reliability, as I've seen many lower binned Gulftowns die, but not many 980x's. It might be the same situation with AMD and their "X" products. It's hard to say, though; people who buy premium processors tend also to buy better PSU's, RAM, motherboards.. as such they really should see slightly better clocks and much better longevity at those clocks.

But as a whole, it's a market for people who dispensed with the concept of worth. That was my main point. And as one of those suckers, I think it's detrimental to force people into that segment by locking multipliers and such -- investors be damned, AMD made the right choice.
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