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Uh are you kidding? It's the largest market outside of the U.S. and it's about to be THE largest market of consumer electronics in the world.

Yeah seriously...
They have a 1.5b population, next door is India with another 1.5b.

What do you think? Talk about localized ignorance.
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Yeah seriously...
They have a 1.5b population, next door is India with another 1.5b.

What do you think? Talk about localized ignorance.


So honestly without googling it, off the top of your head how much of that 1+ billion is considered middle class and likely to be in the market for consumer electronics?

Same with India. I just recently watched a special for example talking about large parts of India still without electricity or running water. Sorry I don't know all the market minutiae of other countries. It is why I asked...
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they knew the risks when they invested in china
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Cool, we may get more companies making GPUs, duopoly is over!! drum.gif
 
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i'm not sure anyone would still buy a 28nm old-gen GPU, so the stolen technology could only affect them on the lowest end, e.g. the budget segment.
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So honestly without googling it, off the top of your head how much of that 1+ billion is considered middle class and likely to be in the market for consumer electronics?

Same with India. I just recently watched a special for example talking about large parts of India still without electricity or running water. Sorry I don't know all the market minutiae of other countries. It is why I asked...

Almost everyone owns a cell phone... Yes, even in 3rd world countries...
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That probably references the duopoly GPU post above him. But the stolen tech would be more useful in other areas. Many more chips still get sold at 28nm than 14nm.
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So honestly without googling it, off the top of your head how much of that 1+ billion is considered middle class and likely to be in the market for consumer electronics?

Same with India. I just recently watched a special for example talking about large parts of India still without electricity or running water. Sorry I don't know all the market minutiae of other countries. It is why I asked...

Without googling.. about 450 million, this year, within 10 years about 1000 million.


India too has a growing middle class of about 250 million right now... without googling... I teach economics, I am an economist. I know this stuff.. It amazes me how many people in the west don't understand that the day for stopping outsourcing and free trade have passed (that day ended in the early 90s) Even the chinese are outsourcing and increasingly using automation.


Oh yeah and they're more educated and their culture actually respects education and learning. Unlike pretty much all of the UK, Canada, and the US, which has basically crapped on the vocation of teaching for the last 40 years. You reap what you sow. This is the Asian century get ready folks, they aren't going to be nearly as altruistic as we were.


EDIT -- looks like I wasn't too far off.. 50% of china's population is considered middle class.. That's about 750 million.
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Without googling.. about 450 million, this year, within 10 years about 1000 million.


India too has a growing middle class of about 250 million right now... without googling... I teach economics, I am an economist. I know this stuff.. It amazes me how many people in the west don't understand that the day for stopping outsourcing and free trade have passed (that day ended in the early 90s) Even the chinese are outsourcing and increasingly using automation.


Oh yeah and they're more educated and their culture actually respects education and learning. Unlike pretty much all of the UK, Canada, and the US, which has basically crapped on the vocation of teaching for the last 40 years. You reap what you sow. This is the Asian century get ready folks, they aren't going to be nearly as altruistic as we were.


EDIT -- looks like I wasn't too far off.. 50% of china's population is considered middle class.. That's about 750 million.

So you will definitely have more than average knowledge on the subject given your background. I came across different numbers for China's middle class (1 year old now):
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-09/here-s-what-china-s-middle-class-really-earn-and-spend

says their source is Goldman Sachs, Chinese National Bureau of Statistics

It has the working population at 770million
50.2% rural workers
30.6% migrant workers (note says food/clothing make up nearly half of personal spending)
19% middle class
0.2% wealthy

has some interesting stuff on spending habits (which I was trying to get to in my original question), though it is still a pretty limited article. In any case still a sizable market.

edit: actually goldmansachs has a nice little site setup:

http://www.goldmansachs.com/our-thinking/macroeconomic-insights/growth-of-china/chinese-consumer/index.html
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So you will definitely have more than average knowledge on the subject given your background. I came across different numbers for China's middle class (1 year old now):
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-09/here-s-what-china-s-middle-class-really-earn-and-spend

says their source is Goldman Sachs, Chinese National Bureau of Statistics

It has the working population at 770million
50.2% rural workers
30.6% migrant workers (note says food/clothing make up nearly half of personal spending)
19% middle class
0.2% wealthy

has some interesting stuff on spending habits (which I was trying to get to in my original question), though it is still a pretty limited article. In any case still a sizable market.

edit: actually goldmansachs has a nice little site setup:

http://www.goldmansachs.com/our-thinking/macroeconomic-insights/growth-of-china/chinese-consumer/index.html


Yeah I've read the sachs site before, it's pretty simple, it's numbers, they have more.
 
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