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Throughout history, humans have existed side-by-side with bacteria and viruses. From the bubonic plague to smallpox, we have evolved to resist them, and in response they have developed new ways of infecting us.

We have had antibiotics for over a century, ever since Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin. In response, bacteria have responded by evolving antibiotic resistance. The battle is endless: because we spend so much time with pathogens, we sometimes develop a kind of natural stalemate.

However, what would happen if we were suddenly exposed to deadly bacteria and viruses that have been absent for thousands of years, or that we have never met before?

We may be about to find out. Climate change is melting permafrost soils that have been frozen for thousands of years, and as the soils melt they are releasing ancient viruses and bacteria that, having lain dormant, are springing back to life.

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If this sounds like the start of a horror movie, that's because it is. Doesn't make it any less worrying.
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Sounds like some fun times.
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This should be an interesting debate. I'm sure those that would denounce this are going to champion the narrative that "who is to say the strains were 100% hidden, and we were not exposed to them already". I'll look for more info on this as it's no doubt to be made more public and discussed further.

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Who else here is excited for the return of smallpox after a 40-year hiatus?

I'm not.

I'm not excited at all.
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Reminds me of Talos Principle. smile.gif
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Hey, that's actually exactly what happened and resulted to the story of a Sega Dreamcast game.

PS: The game sucks, I wouldn't recommend spending time with it.
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 In a 2005 study, NASA scientists successfully revived bacteria that had been encased in a frozen pond in Alaska for 32,000 years. The microbes, called Carnobacterium pleistocenium, had been frozen since the Pleistocene period, when woolly mammoths still roamed the Earth. Once the ice melted, they began swimming around, seemingly unaffected.

I'm surprised that the revived microbes are not talked about more due to their Jurassic Park revival.

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Well bacteria, fungi are still living matter, you could argue about a virus, but still bacteria/fungi like all matter under the biological form have molecular dynamics undergoing within them.
Even in a dehydrated form of spore or any environmental protection form, the bacteria, fungi or plant are not completely at rest.
You could argue on a virus, since it is a simple protein scaffold for genetic information and accessory proteins. So in this form other than molecular vibration state between molecules, there is not so much molecular dynamics going on. It became true when the virus infect you back, so a virus is not living matter in his free form out of the host.

That said, a lot of biological matter could survive to these conditions, the real question is: These human kind pathogens are concentrated enough to provide some infection? And then disseminate around?

The key question upon infections is the viral/bacterial/invective charge. In these ices there is enough pathogens, even deadly ones to be able to successfully infect you without being killed/fought by your immune system. Aside for some pathogens that are TOTALLY not recognized by your immune system, the rest of pathogens are fought. The output of this fight depend how your immune system will effectively recognize and kill them. If it is not efficient the amount of pathogen charge will increase exponentially, bringing illness!

Also remember that pathogens/parasites are generally linked to their host and their evolution is linked to them! There is plenty of non pathogen bacteria and fungi, you dont know them because they live near you but don't need you for live comfortably!!

So to argue this topic, ask yourself a couple of questions:

1/ There were human kind living in these area, or any living stuff, even X thousand years ago? To be able to find human/mammalian2 pathogens in these ices?
2/ Is the pathogen charge enough to provide a sustained infection?
3/ The pathogen, even deadly, is able to undergo to morphological changes that allow them to support extreme conditions?
4/ Are these pathogens easily transmissible, i mean just by contact or air?
5/ Etc, if you are interested look for the pathogen and invective chart...

Sincerely with atmospheric pollution we have now compared to 1000 years ago, any living form that wake up now would die quickly by the air we though clean!!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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There are some problems with this, first this cant be something we just discovered. Second it uses a theory about one case with no actual proof.(anthrax). Third then it proceeds to talk about buried corpses not frozen onez per say. Then there is the issue of remote wilderness, its not like its right in your town. This seems eccentric given the fact your more likely to become ill in the current area you reside. I feel like this is really just mentioned because you know... Climate change...
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When you fill something up with too much of anything you reach a point where it overflows, a saturation point if you will; whether gas, liquid or solid, pressure or volume, if constraints are dictated, there comes a point when "spillover" occurs.

Global warming aside, it certainly seems as if Man is moving toward His saturation point (or should I say the Earth's?). The question is, can anything be done to reverse the trend such that we're relying not so much on stretching our resources further to accommodate additional population growth, but more along the lines of reducing our numbers to a point where we can safely manage the resources we have left without killing the planet, at least for some extended period of time?

Population growth has gotten entirely out of hand.



The current world population is 7.5 billion as of May 2017 according to the most recent United Nations estimates elaborated by Worldometers.
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