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Do you know why these things don't cause the end of the world? Because people take notice and do something about them.

For example, the people studying the possibilities of frozen viruses being reactivated, which ones are potentially deadly, what we can do to counter it, etc. Same thing happened / is happening with all of the previous 'end of the world' scenarios, like the hole in the ozone layer (banning CFCs), acid rain (CO2 / SO2 emissions limits), and global warming (renewable energy / efficient end uses).

And yes, I was / am one of said people. I used to work for a company making turbines to increase power plant performance, and on carbon capture and storage systems. Part of my current job is reducing the CO2, SO2, and NOx emissions from chemical plants.


Also, you're welcome. If it quacks like a duck...

And Germany banning gasoline cars in the near future biggrin.gif
post #32 of 90
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Nah, this was another movie, parasites from frozen mammoth corpses infect and kill everything. smile.gif


It's like Season 1 of Fortitude.
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Reminds me of Talos Principle. smile.gif
Except we don't have proper AI to carry on our legacy, though. frown.gif
    
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This sounds like one of natures ways of curing population problems. Science will stop it from killing off humans so that humans can continue killing nature.
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There are some problems with this, first this cant be something we just discovered. Second it uses a theory about one case with no actual proof.(anthrax). Third then it proceeds to talk about buried corpses not frozen onez per say. Then there is the issue of remote wilderness, its not like its right in your town. This seems eccentric given the fact your more likely to become ill in the current area you reside. I feel like this is really just mentioned because you know... Climate change...
There may be no proof, but the premise is perfectly logical and worth looking into.. less the alarmism.

Exposure to any threatening strains that resurface from glaciers will be fairly isolated -- consider your vulnerability to a thing like Ebola, and the effectiveness of our efforts to keep you safe from it. If these ancient, preserved viruses exist.. they won't likely be any more effective at spreading -- otherwise they'd likely have been prolific enough to survive (in some form) to this day. They won't likely be any more horrifying either.

I wouldn't expect the threat to be any more significant than the threat of what exists today.
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"One argument is that the risk from permafrost pathogens is inherently unknowable, so they should not overtly concern us. Instead, we should focus on more established threats from climate change. For instance, as Earth warms northern countries will become more susceptible to outbreaks of "southern" diseases like malaria, cholera and dengue fever, as these pathogens thrive at warmer temperatures.

The alternative perspective is that we should not ignore risks just because we cannot quantify them." http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-they-are-waking-up

The real fear imo is if an actual ancient permafrost pathogen came into contact with its modern day pathogen and mutated into something it otherwise wouldn't have.
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None of the things can make Bill Gates happier than this news, hahaha.
    
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Older strains of bacteria and virus that havent had the chance to mutate or evolve to compete in the modern biosphere. 

 

Old things, meet modern medicine. 

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If these ancient, preserved viruses exist.. they won't likely be any more effective at spreading -- otherwise they'd likely have been prolific enough to survive (in some form) to this day.

They do exist - they have literally found them. If they are able to spread or not becomes the question.

However consider something like the 1918 flu pandemic. It killed 50 to 100 million people worldwide, and a lot of the spread was attributed to the travel of soldiers returning from the war. Now combine that with modern air travel, all those hundreds of thousands of people spreading around the globe on a daily basis...

Of course we have a cure and a vaccine for Spanish Flu, so it is not going to strike like that again. We also know about how to quarantine infected places, and screen passengers. Even so the odd case still gets through (see the Ebola nurses that traveled to the UK and US).

But if something new, or old, came along, something we didn't know how to identify or stop, there is the chance it could do a similar thing. It wouldn't kill all of us, no virus could really do that, but it could kill a lot of people before it was stopped.

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They won't likely be any more horrifying either.

I wouldn't expect the threat to be any more significant than the threat of what exists today.

The worry is that there are things frozen there that we have not faced in millennia, and have lost our immunity to.

As you said though, something to look into, without the alarmism.

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Originally Posted by cenpuppie View Post

Older strains of bacteria and virus that havent had the chance to mutate or evolve to compete in the modern biosphere. 

Old things, meet modern medicine. 

We still don't have a cure for the Black Death...

Or Ebola for that matter.


Edit: Also read the bit about the bacteria in the caves in New Mexico that have developed antibiotic resistance in complete isolation.
Edited by GingerJohn - 5/4/17 at 4:05pm
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Part of my current job is reducing the CO2, SO2, and NOx emissions from chemical plants.

I thought it was babysitting people incapable of filling out forms properly. tongue.gif
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