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[Anand] AMD Announces Ryzen AGESA 1.0.0.6 Update: Enables Memory Clocks Up To DDR4-4000

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#1 ·
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Demonstrating their commitment to keep improving the AM4 platform, AMD has just published a suite of details that their upcoming AGESA 1.0.0.6 firmware. Of particular interest here, the latest firmware is going to enhance memory overclocking and compability, as well as add a much needed virtualization-related feature.
Source.

Highlights:
  • Added 26 memory-related parameters, expanding memory frequencies to DDR4-4000 and reduced to 133MT/s the previous minimum 266MT/s increment in memory clocks;
  • Unlock of two dozen memory timings (expanding on the previously available five primary timings), including allowing for the 2T command rate, which was previously locked at 1T;
  • Support for PCI Express Access Control Services (ACS), enabling manual assignment of PCIe graphics cards within IOMMU groups. Dedicating a GPU to a virtual machine on a Ryzen system should now be easier.

BIOS updates are expected in mid / late June, but there are already beta versions for the ASUS Crosshair VI and GIGABYTE GA-AX370-Gaming 5 (edit: for the Gigabyte board the latest BIOS from the 24th of May seems to include some of the settings from 1.0.0.6, but is based on AGESA 1.0.0.5, which AMD seems to have publicly jumped over. The BIOS is posted on their forums: http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/886/am4-beta-bios-thread). Edit: Betas now available for three Gigabyte boards, see the end of the post.

Edit: thanks to CrazyElf, here is another link and a screenshot from the Asus BIOS:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_details_their_new_ryzen_agesa_1_0_0_6_update/1



Edit 2, May 31st:
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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

Just came across this: https://www.techpowerup.com/233886/tpu-ryzen-bios-digest-issue-6
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Today we have some Gigabyte betas bringing AGESA 1006.
Links in the article for the:

- AX370-Gaming K7;
- AX370-Gaming 5;

- AB350-Gaming 3.
 
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#2 ·
Sub'd. Let me know what the Crosshair can do with the new bios!
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#4 ·
TPI2007, if you want to add this in the OP: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_details_their_new_ryzen_agesa_1_0_0_6_update/1


That is a preview image on the Asus BIOS. Basically fine timings are now possible. One thing to note at this point is that it is up to the motherboard manufacturers respectively to update their BIOS. I'd imagine that MSI and Asrock are also working on it.

Given how memory scales with performance on Ryzen, this could be extremely important. I wonder how well this will scale past DDR4 3200. The other interesting question is whether or not we are going to get to a point where tighter timings gets better performance than higher clocks with loose timings.


I suspect that if we do actually get DDR4 4000, what's left of the "gaming gap" where Ryzen, despite its high IPC is lagging on gaming will be gone versus Intel gets - in other words, for most games we will be at the point where the GPU is the bottleneck. Keep in mind too that the memory speeds control the other parts of Ryzen.


Note the number of 32B/cycles, all of which we think are correlated with the RAM speed. An example, if you are running DDR4 3200, which is 1600 MHz, then the Fabric will too. At DDR4 2133, the Fabric runs at 1066 MHz, but at DDR4 4000, assuming it's stable, it would run at 2000 MHz. I think that it also controls the Infinity Fabric and the inter-CCX communications. With the memory dividers unlocked, I think that it will be cool to pit the IMC against Kaby Lake. I suspect we will also see RAM that will be released by G.Skill and similar companies that will be directly made for AMD. Considering the popularity of the Ryzen platform, that would make a lot of sense.

My hypothesis is considering the data fabric may be the bottleneck is that higher speed RAM with looser timings might be superior to slower RAM with tight timings. I would like to see this completely split up in future implementations of Ryzen and the L3 cache separate from main core speed. Actually I think that right now this is so important that it may make sense to bin CPUs by memory speed rather than core clock.

It's a bit late - they did promise a May update for this, but it's the end of May, so it's more or less on time. I am very interested to see if Threadripper will have this ability right from the get go.

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Originally Posted by xioros View Post

Sub'd. Let me know what the Crosshair can do with the new bios!
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See the image above. It is looking like the X370 Crosshair BIOS has come a long way with this. Hopefully more stable now too.

I would like to see which motherboard is best at memory OCing now that the memory OC ability should be fully unlocked. I suspect that we may see AGESA 1.007 and several other rollouts for a few further optimizations.
 
#5 ·
This looks like a much needed update. Great to see some big features in here. Ryzen is a new platform and i think there is still alot of performance gains and optimizations ahead of its lifecycle which will ensure it keeps competing/if not beating the competition.
 
#6 ·
hmm, and I was just about to flash to 1201 on my crosshair.

Guess might as well wait for the new one. Would be nice to get better memory support, and this looks like just the ticket.
 
#8 ·
went from 2933 cl14 mem to 3333 cl16 with this Agesa 1.0.0.6 update, the next step up works sometimes but 3333 boots everytime. 3600 wont boot even with 1.4v and 20cas timings with 2t command. idk what im doing wrong
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Tomahawk Arctic beta bios
Gskill RGB 3600 cl16

ryzen 1700

my max overclock did go down too. 4.1 will not bench anymore. it's not quite stable.
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by Caldeio View Post

went from 2933 cl14 mem to 3333 cl16 with this Agesa 1.0.0.6 update, the next step up works sometimes but 3333 boots everytime. 3600 wont boot even with 1.4v and 20cas timings with 2t command. idk what im doing wrong
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Tomahawk Arctic beta bios
Gskill RGB 3600 cl16
What Ryzen CPU do you have?

Further enhancements to the BIOS until it gets out of Beta could fix your problem, but you should also consider that there's the chance that the IMC on some samples simply will not go that far. Until now Ryzen was basically locked to 3200 Mhz, with some boards having special circuitry to allow faster, but from what I read it usually topped out at 3466 Mhz.

Only now with these unlocked options will we start to see how good the IMC really is and what its limits are and how better binned chips perform in that area. Oh, and also how high the fabric can be clocked at.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

What Ryzen CPU do you have?

Further enhancements to the BIOS until if gets out of Beta could fix your problem, but you should also consider that there's the chance that the IMC on some samples simply will not go that far. Until now Ryzen was basically locked to 3200 Mhz, with some boards having special circuitry to allow faster, but from what I read it usually topped out at 3466 Mhz.
Only now with these unlocked options will we start to see how good the IMC really is and what its limits are and how better binned chips perform in that area.
1700 so I do not have a X version. 3466 might work if I increase the volts to 1.45 or maybe mess with subtimings but I really want as low as possible. 3333 is at 1.35 and I haven't done any further testing. Im sure I can either tighten up 3333 or hit 3466 but thats it.
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#11 ·
Went up to 3200mhz, everytime now, before was hit or miss.
 
#18 ·
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Originally Posted by CrazyElf View Post

TPI2007, if you want to add this in the OP:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_details_their_new_ryzen_agesa_1_0_0_6_update/1


That is a preview image on the Asus BIOS. Basically fine timings are now possible. One thing to note at this point is that it is up to the motherboard manufacturers respectively to update their BIOS. I'd imagine that MSI and Asrock are also working on it.

Given how memory scales with performance on Ryzen, this could be extremely important. I wonder how well this will scale past DDR4 3200. The other interesting question is whether or not we are going to get to a point where tighter timings gets better performance than higher clocks with loose timings.


I suspect that if we do actually get DDR4 4000, what's left of the "gaming gap" where Ryzen, despite its high IPC is lagging on gaming will be gone versus Intel gets - in other words, for most games we will be at the point where the GPU is the bottleneck. Keep in mind too that the memory speeds control the other parts of Ryzen.


Note the number of 32B/cycles, all of which we think are correlated with the RAM speed. An example, if you are running DDR4 3200, which is 1600 MHz, then the Fabric will too. I think that it also controls the Infinity Fabric and the inter-CCX communications. With the memory dividers unlocked, I think that it will be cool to pit the IMC against Kaby Lake. I suspect we will also see RAM that will be released by G.Skill and similar companies that will be directly made for AMD. Considering the popularity of the Ryzen platform, that would make a lot of sense.

My hypothesis is considering the data fabric may be the bottleneck is that higher speed RAM with looser timings might be superior to slower RAM with tight timings. I would like to see this completely split up in future implementations of Ryzen and the L3 cache separate from main core speed. Actually I think that right now this is so important that it may make sense to bin CPUs by memory speed rather than core clock.

It's a bit late - they did promise a May update for this, but it's the end of May, so it's more or less on time. I am very interested to see if Threadripper will have this ability right from the get go.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xioros View Post

Sub'd. Let me know what the Crosshair can do with the new bios!
thumb.gif
See the image above. It is looking like the X370 Crosshair BIOS has come a long way with this. Hopefully more stable now too.

I would like to see which motherboard is best at memory OCing now that the memory OC ability should be fully unlocked. I suspect that we may see AGESA 1.007 and several other rollouts for a few further optimizations.
Done.
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#19 ·
and here I am still stuck at 2400mhz (on my brand new 3200 kit). it did worse than my old kit which gets to 2666mhz after the first agesa update


come on asus. how bout us Asus Prime b350m owners, don't forget about us now
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#20 ·
Guess who bought a Ryzen 7 and DDR4 3200MHz in anticipation of this.
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It would be nice if they provided a list of motherboards with the new AGESA code.

Motherboards to watch other than the Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 & K7 , ASUS Crosshair VI Hero, MSI X370 Xpower:
MSI B350 Pro Carbon (due to price point)
ASUS X370 Prime Pro
ASUS B350-F STRIX supposedly coming soon
Asrock X370 Taichi
Asrock X370 Fatal1ty K4 (not the best mediocre but due to US price point)
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by Nautilus View Post

Does this mean my 2x16GB 3200Mhz CL15 kit (F4-3200C15-16GTZ) will run just fine with Ryzen? I would be much appreciated if anyone let me know about this.
Probably, the G-skill modules play better with Ryzen than most others. I was stuck at 2966mhz or somewhere around there and 3200 was hit or miss, now it boots up every time.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by amd-dude View Post

Probably, the G-skill modules play better with Ryzen than most others. I was stuck at 2966mhz or somewhere around there and 3200 was hit or miss, now it boots up every time.
If we're allowed to adjust all the memory settings then there won't be as many issues
 
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