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#1 ·
Hey fellas

I just bought a 1080ti. Im looking to do a basic water loop that included my CPU (4790k), VRM, RAM, and a single 1080ti Founders edition.
I have a msi z97 pc mate motherboard. And 24 GB of mushkin stealth ram. And I would like to put this all inside my current case, the corsair c70
I want all copper everything. What brand should I use? Also, i dont want to see the liquid, plan on using black tubing. Plan on doing moderate overclock on gpu and cpu. Also, plan on sealing the tubing heavily, to help avoid leaks.

And do you have any advice, or other recommendations?
 
#3 ·
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Originally Posted by cmpxchg8b View Post

Here goes the advice:
- Read the guides (there's plenty of them)
- Leave RAM and possibly VRMs on air
yea ive read that the ram and VRMs are unnecessary, but i figured if i was going to do the loop, why not include them? cost isnt a huge deal.
Also, are there any well known res/pump combos out there? Like good quality ones?
 
#4 ·
Hi there

As above read few guides and recommendations for components,everything will be dependent on yours budget

As good starting point go with EK starter kits and add there block for GPU and I would suggest as well one more radiator, go with starter kit which do use EK DDC 3.2 PWM Elite edition or D5

Yours case should support 2x240(with one cage removed) and 120mm rad as exhaust

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura
 
#5 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

yea ive read that the ram and VRMs are unnecessary, but i figured if i was going to do the loop, why not include them? cost isnt a huge deal.
Added possible leak points, added restriction and added headaches in tube routing are a big deal, though.

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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

Also, are there any well known res/pump combos out there? Like good quality ones?
There are a number of them. I tend to be partial to Monsoon MMRS and XSPC Photons. The Heatkiller are also very nice. The EK and Alphacool feel like something that should have been a toy surprise in a Crackerjack box by comparison to me. I haven't used a Bitspower in quite some time, and haven't used any of their current pieces.
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

Hey fellas

I just bought a 1080ti. Im looking to do a basic water loop that included my CPU (4790k), VRM, RAM, and a single 1080ti Founders edition.
I have a msi z97 pc mate motherboard. And 24 GB of mushkin stealth ram. And I would like to put this all inside my current case, the corsair c70
I want all copper everything. What brand should I use? Also, i dont want to see the liquid, plan on using black tubing. Plan on doing moderate overclock on gpu and cpu. Also, plan on sealing the tubing heavily, to help avoid leaks.

And do you have any advice, or other recommendations?
what might be easiest is getting a EK P-240 kit (supremacy EVO, pump/res combo, 240mm rad w/fittings, soft tubing and coolant mix) pick up a gpu block of your choice w/another 240mm rad and 4 more fittings (could maybe also use two 90/45 degree fittings for cpu in/out ports).

rads top/front and the bracket for the pump/res combo will mount front rad @bottom fan. try top rad>cpu>gpu>bottom rad>pump/res>top rad. might be close on the provided tubing but ought to be doable - having the in/out of the top rad towards the drive bays(?). and pretty sure the coolant concentrate (makes 1l) will also be enough.
 
#7 ·
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

what might be easiest is getting a EK P-240 kit (supremacy EVO, pump/res combo, 240mm rad w/fittings, soft tubing and coolant mix) pick up a gpu block of your choice w/another 240mm rad and 4 more fittings (could maybe also use two 90/45 degree fittings for cpu in/out ports).

rads top/front and the bracket for the pump/res combo will mount front rad @bottom fan. try top rad>cpu>gpu>bottom rad>pump/res>top rad. might be close on the provided tubing but ought to be doable - having the in/out of the top rad towards the drive bays(?). and pretty sure the coolant concentrate (makes 1l) will also be enough.
Agreed about a kit being a great way to start a loop. I don't agree as much as far as the EK P series being a great choice. The XSPC kits offer you a Photon (which is significantly nicer than EK's plastic toy-like res), and the fittings (which I happen to think are nicer than EK's in use, though EK fittings are good looking) and tubing in XSPC kits are 3/8 x 5/8" compared to EK using 3/8 x 1/2". Blocksin the kits are essentially equal if you are looking at the Raystorm Pro. But, you can get the XSPC Raystorm Pro kit with an RX240 rad for $50 less than the EK with a PE 240 rad, which makes the XSPC quite a bit better for less money.
 
#8 ·
I'm going to break with the conventional wisdom and advise you NOT to get a kit if you are serious about getting into water cooling. I bought a kit, and I regret it.

Why? Because the only kit I found that would work well in my case had one major component I wanted (the radiator) and I've already replaced everything else (except the compression fittings.) The money saved on a kit is lost as soon as you replace one item in it. I'll agree that a kit gets you started quickly, but it quickly becomes a waste of money for some people.

In my own case, I purchased the EK "slim" 360 kit. At the same time, I also ordered a replacement CPU block because I wanted the better performance (and the better aesthetics.) At this point, I've already lost money over just buying the parts. Then I realized that if I wanted to add a GPU block, the pump in the kit would start to struggle, so ended up buying a better pump (and reservoir.) Recently, after being "involved in the community", I found that the slim 360 radiator from EK is one of the worst performing slim 360 radiators available, so I'll be replacing that with something that performs better.

What does that leave from the original kit? The compression fittings. That's it. If I ever decide to change from 3/8-1/2 ID-OD soft tubing, even the compression fittings will be unused.

Before you buy anything, research like crazy. Read reviews. Spend a few hours reading reviews here, and on http://www.xtremerigs.net/categories/reviews/water-cooling/. Decide what will fit in your computer case and what you want. If, and ONLY if you can find a kit that just happens to contain the items you want, then buy it. Otherwise, use the parts list from a kit as a starting point for your own shopping cart, swapping out the parts you DO want for the parts you don't want.

There's nothing magical about a set of parts just because they come packaged in a kit. In fact, at least with the EK kits, you are getting the EXACT SAME packaging for the "kit" items that you'd get if you bought everything separately. The only "extra" the EK kit comes with is a little instructions booklet that kind of merges the assembly instructions. You can just download that instruction booklet from EK's website (for free.)

Take care, and good luck
Gary
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by garyd9 View Post

I'm going to break with the conventional wisdom and advise you NOT to get a kit if you are serious about getting into water cooling. I bought a kit, and I regret it.

Why? Because the only kit I found that would work well in my case had one major component I wanted (the radiator) and I've already replaced everything else (except the compression fittings.) The money saved on a kit is lost as soon as you replace one item in it. I'll agree that a kit gets you started quickly, but it quickly becomes a waste of money for some people.

In my own case, I purchased the EK "slim" 360 kit. At the same time, I also ordered a replacement CPU block because I wanted the better performance (and the better aesthetics.) At this point, I've already lost money over just buying the parts. Then I realized that if I wanted to add a GPU block, the pump in the kit would start to struggle, so ended up buying a better pump (and reservoir.) Recently, after being "involved in the community", I found that the slim 360 radiator from EK is one of the worst performing slim 360 radiators available, so I'll be replacing that with something that performs better.

What does that leave from the original kit? The compression fittings. That's it. If I ever decide to change from 3/8-1/2 ID-OD soft tubing, even the compression fittings will be unused.

Before you buy anything, research like crazy. Read reviews. Spend a few hours reading reviews here, and on http://www.xtremerigs.net/categories/reviews/water-cooling/. Decide what will fit in your computer case and what you want. If, and ONLY if you can find a kit that just happens to contain the items you want, then buy it. Otherwise, use the parts list from a kit as a starting point for your own shopping cart, swapping out the parts you DO want for the parts you don't want.

There's nothing magical about a set of parts just because they come packaged in a kit. In fact, at least with the EK kits, you are getting the EXACT SAME packaging for the "kit" items that you'd get if you bought everything separately. The only "extra" the EK kit comes with is a little instructions booklet that kind of merges the assembly instructions. You can just download that instruction booklet from EK's website (for free.)

Take care, and good luck
Gary
Well....this is what happens when you buy the wrong kit, or buy a kit knowing that you intend on replacing certain parts. It is also why I pointed to the fact that there are other kits out there that aren't EK. In many cases you can buy a kit and keep every single component as you expand, and have a lower cash outlay.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Well....this is what happens when you buy the wrong kit, or buy a kit knowing that you intend on replacing certain parts. It is also why I pointed to the fact that there are other kits out there that aren't EK. In many cases you can buy a kit and keep every single component as you expand, and have a lower cash outlay.
...or when there is no "right" kit to buy. The point of my post is the the OP should carefully decide if a "kit" is the right choice.

There's nothing magical about a "kit" that makes it easier to install. Having a kit only ensures that you get all the correct pieces to assemble the parts within the kit. For exactly the same end-result, you can go to "ekwb.com" and run their configurator tool. When you get done, you'll have a shopping cart with everything you'd need, but you'll be able to make changes based on your whims and desires. In fact, certain selections in that configurator tool can actually result in the exact same part list that comes in the kits. A kit is usually slightly less expensive (or it might be more expensive depending on what you're buying, sale prices, etc.)

** I will warn anyone using the EK tool, however, that EK has apparently started substituting cheaper parts in some of their items. For that reason, you might consider using the EK tool only as a guide for what kind of things you need to buy.
 
#11 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

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Originally Posted by garyd9 View Post

I'm going to break with the conventional wisdom and advise you NOT to get a kit if you are serious about getting into water cooling. I bought a kit, and I regret it.

Why? Because the only kit I found that would work well in my case had one major component I wanted (the radiator) and I've already replaced everything else (except the compression fittings.) The money saved on a kit is lost as soon as you replace one item in it. I'll agree that a kit gets you started quickly, but it quickly becomes a waste of money for some people.

In my own case, I purchased the EK "slim" 360 kit. At the same time, I also ordered a replacement CPU block because I wanted the better performance (and the better aesthetics.) At this point, I've already lost money over just buying the parts. Then I realized that if I wanted to add a GPU block, the pump in the kit would start to struggle, so ended up buying a better pump (and reservoir.) Recently, after being "involved in the community", I found that the slim 360 radiator from EK is one of the worst performing slim 360 radiators available, so I'll be replacing that with something that performs better.

What does that leave from the original kit? The compression fittings. That's it. If I ever decide to change from 3/8-1/2 ID-OD soft tubing, even the compression fittings will be unused.

Before you buy anything, research like crazy. Read reviews. Spend a few hours reading reviews here, and on http://www.xtremerigs.net/categories/reviews/water-cooling/. Decide what will fit in your computer case and what you want. If, and ONLY if you can find a kit that just happens to contain the items you want, then buy it. Otherwise, use the parts list from a kit as a starting point for your own shopping cart, swapping out the parts you DO want for the parts you don't want.

There's nothing magical about a set of parts just because they come packaged in a kit. In fact, at least with the EK kits, you are getting the EXACT SAME packaging for the "kit" items that you'd get if you bought everything separately. The only "extra" the EK kit comes with is a little instructions booklet that kind of merges the assembly instructions. You can just download that instruction booklet from EK's website (for free.)

Take care, and good luck
Gary
Well....this is what happens when you buy the wrong kit, or buy a kit knowing that you intend on replacing certain parts. It is also why I pointed to the fact that there are other kits out there that aren't EK. In many cases you can buy a kit and keep every single component as you expand, and have a lower cash outlay.
^THAT!
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Originally Posted by garyd9 View Post

...or when there is no "right" kit to buy. The point of my post is the the OP should carefully decide if a "kit" is the right choice.

There's nothing magical about a "kit" that makes it easier to install. Having a kit only ensures that you get all the correct pieces to assemble the parts within the kit. For exactly the same end-result, you can go to "ekwb.com" and run their configurator tool. When you get done, you'll have a shopping cart with everything you'd need, but you'll be able to make changes based on your whims and desires. In fact, certain selections in that configurator tool can actually result in the exact same part list that comes in the kits. A kit is usually slightly less expensive (or it might be more expensive depending on what you're buying, sale prices, etc.)

** I will warn anyone using the EK tool, however, that EK has apparently started substituting cheaper parts in some of their items. For that reason, you might consider using the EK tool only as a guide for what kind of things you need to buy.
no one is saying getting a kit is magical (yet!
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). or maybe you had magical expectations getting one and was sorely disappointed. no offense but i didn't know anything but pretty much had a clue that a slim rad set up would be more for a HTPC than sucking away heat from a rig that is heavy benching.

as you pointed out, kits are great for having a one stop solution to install a custom loop and that, for me in my experience, was magical (now i said it!
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). there were several times i had a "oops, didn't think of that" moments but sure enough there were parts in the kit that made it easy peasy for a first timer (ahem, like the OP). it took just under two hours putting everything together though most of the time was thinking, "ok, if i do that how will things change when i add a gpu block . . . how about another rad?"

if anyone wants to debate the magical aspect, fine; though there is no arguing that a kit is very convenient. however, some of that convenience is at the cost of some personal preference, there won't be a kit that has "the best of the best" because not any one company is the best at rads, blocks, pumps ect. so there will be some give and take. its finding the one that has the most preferred parts - like a NON plastic looking res as ciarlatano pointed out. personally i'm not into looks but my mind is changing w/the more i see.

about the only regret i have is getting a thick 280mm rad; it does fine and all that but 140mm X2 (or x3, x4) rads are had to find inexpensive cases that fit. i ought to have gotten P-360 kit and added another 240 later. i'll grab those when i get a much better case than this $40 rosewell i hammered the top flat fit the 280mm rad.
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water cooling is an evolving process; as soon as you're happy with what you have, you see something nice to add.
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#12 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

Hey fellas

I just bought a 1080ti. Im looking to do a basic water loop that included my CPU (4790k), VRM, RAM, and a single 1080ti Founders edition.
I have a msi z97 pc mate motherboard. And 24 GB of mushkin stealth ram. And I would like to put this all inside my current case, the corsair c70
I want all copper everything. What brand should I use? Also, i dont want to see the liquid, plan on using black tubing. Plan on doing moderate overclock on gpu and cpu. Also, plan on sealing the tubing heavily, to help avoid leaks.

And do you have any advice, or other recommendations?
I don't know if you removed the HD cages so that might change suggestions.

Firstly I consider EK's kit's as "Packages" It's 95% the same stuff you would buy separately. So just read the kits offerings carefully to make sure there are no clearance problems and if there are find another that gets you mostly there. Then add what doesn't come with it. Pretty simple.

I personally would start with a EK PE kit. Like their performance series 240 kit for example https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-p240
I don't think they look and feel like a toy. Nobody is reaching in to feel whether their res is glass or acrylic anyways lol not to mention the weight.
My system is current 80lbs filled and I hate it when it has to be moved.

You'll want a 2nd 240 if your adding a 1080ti to the loop since it seems like there are no 360 rad options for that case. So a 2nd 240 can be added to the kit easily.
You'll need to buy the gpu block separately as well.

Cooling the VRM and RAM really is a glam thing. It's not suggested but if you want again those are not common so those are not likely to be offered in any kit. So those will need to be bought separately.

Each item added will require 2 fittings so account for about $12 roughly for each item added to the to the EK kit.

So your looking roughly at:
$349 for the kit
$62 for a 2nd 240 PE rad
$130 for gpu block
$??? z97 vrm block lol
$??? Ram block lol#2
$25 regular compression fittings for gpu and 2nd rad
$10 for black tube
$36 for 2 more vardar fans for the extra 240rad
So $612 without the vrm and ram. So unless you wana blow over $200 more I'd stick with that.
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by DigitrevX View Post

I don't know if you removed the HD cages so that might change suggestions.

Firstly I consider EK's kit's as "Packages" It's 95% the same stuff you would buy separately. So just read the kits offerings carefully to make sure there are no clearance problems and if there are find another that gets you mostly there. Then add what doesn't come with it. Pretty simple.

I personally would start with a EK PE kit. Like their performance series 240 kit for example https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-p240
I don't think they look and feel like a toy. Nobody is reaching in to feel whether their res is glass or acrylic anyways lol not to mention the weight.
My system is current 80lbs filled and I hate it when it has to be moved.
That is exactly how the kits should be viewed, they are packages of components that you might very like choose anyway at a nice discount. It's all about convenience, savings and a good base. But, there is a huge difference in the appearance and build between the EK and XSPC. So....pay more for lower quality and 3/8 x 1/2" fittings that will eventually wind up in the trash since no one is going to reach in and touch it? You don't need to touch it to see a pretty dramatic difference. Very similar to why tempered glass is so much more desirable than acrylic side panels to many. Actually, not even "very similar", it is an exact replication.Why would you want to pay more for less? Because it says "EK" on it? That would be like suggesting that someone pay $50 more for an Enthoo Pro M Acrylic than an Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass. And I can't imagine that the few ounces added weight of the glass res is going to be a backbreaker. Also, the RX240 outperforms the 240 PE, and there is room in the case for it. Spending more for less just doesn't make any sense to me, unless you are hung up on brand name rather the quality of the components.
 
#14 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

That is exactly how the kits should be viewed, they are packages of components that you might very like choose anyway at a nice discount. It's all about convenience, savings and a good base. But, there is a huge difference in the appearance and build between the EK and XSPC. So....pay more for lower quality and 3/8 x 1/2" fittings that will eventually wind up in the trash since no one is going to reach in and touch it? You don't need to touch it to see a pretty dramatic difference. Very similar to why tempered glass is so much more desirable than acrylic side panels to many. Actually, not even "very similar", it is an exact replication.Why would you want to pay more for less? Because it says "EK" on it? That would be like suggesting that someone pay $50 more for an Enthoo Pro M Acrylic than an Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass. And I can't imagine that the few ounces added weight of the glass res is going to be a backbreaker. Also, the RX240 outperforms the 240 PE, and there is room in the case for it. Spending more for less just doesn't make any sense to me, unless you are hung up on brand name rather the quality of the components.
Dude I got a acrylic xres that is 5 years old from EK. When I finish my new build do you want me to remove it from my old build and take a photo of it to chill your EK hate speech. The thing looks like it did the day I got it and it looks nearly identical to glass without the risks glass come with. I bought it because it's reliable and look's good. Tempered glass vs plastic windows is a terrible analogy for obvious reasons. I don't recall seeing cases that were engineered anything like temper cases using plastic again for obvious reasons. Reservoirs, that's a different story.
Reminds me of the corsair ML120 topic. "Paying more while getting less". There is such a thing as "Get what you pay for". BTW they came in the mail, tested and they are truly amazing with proper pwm.

Also I run Bitspower fittings, not ek's cuz again my old system is over 5 years old. Would it surprise you those bitspower fittings still work and are good for a 2nd build? lol
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by DigitrevX View Post

Dude I got a acrylic xres that is 5 years old from EK. When I finish my new build do you want me to remove it from my old build and take a photo of it to chill your EK hate speech. The thing looks like it did the day I got it and it looks nearly identical to glass without the risks glass come with. I bought it because it's reliable and look's good. Tempered glass vs plastic windows is a terrible analogy for obvious reasons. I don't recall seeing cases that were engineered anything like temper cases using plastic again for obvious reasons. Reservoirs, that's a different story.
Reminds me of the corsair ML120 topic. "Paying more while getting less". There is such a thing as "Get what you pay for". BTW they came in the mail, tested and they are truly amazing with proper pwm.

Also I run Bitspower fittings, not ek's cuz again my old system is over 5 years old. Would it surprise you those bitspower fittings still work and are good for a 2nd build? lol
I don't have any EK hate, I use a number of EK components in my current build. But, I have also had the opportunity to use and evaluate significantly more components than most and I'm not prone to making recommendations based on fanboy tendencies "brand loyalty", or simply because it is what I use. I also can talk about and compare the components I reference using first hand accounts, while it is clear that you have never done side by side comparisons of a Photon and the res/pump included in an EK P Series kit (and certainly have never used any of the other fans recommended to you by others in your ML120 thread).

And why would it surprise me that you have fittings that were good for your second build? I have fittings that have been through 20+ builds/configuration changes. The issue I very clearly stated regarding the fittings included in EK's kit was the size - 3/8 x 1/2". Do use use tubing with walls that thin? I would say that close to 90% of the posts by soft tubing users I have seen involve 3/8 x 5/8" or 1/2 x 3/4" for obvious reasons. If you don't know those reasons, there is plenty of info on OCN on the subject that you can choose to ignore.
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Originally Posted by DigitrevX View Post

Tempered glass vs plastic windows is a terrible analogy for obvious reasons. I don't recall seeing cases that were engineered anything like temper cases using plastic again for obvious reasons.
I specifically stated the Enthoo Pro M. This case is available with both acrylic or tempered glass window. I see you research your replies as well as your purchases.
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#16 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

So....pay more for lower quality and 3/8 x 1/2" fittings that will eventually wind up in the trash since no one is going to reach in and touch it?
I'm confused about your point in that statement. (I really don't understand it.) Is it that the thin walls are somehow so fragile that touching them is bad? Or that thin walls are good for touching, but that no one really reaches in and fondles their tubing?
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by garyd9 View Post

I'm confused about your point in that statement. (I really don't understand it.) Is it that the thin walls are somehow so fragile that touching them is bad? Or that thin walls are good for touching, but that no one really reaches in and fondles their tubing?
Contextually it was a bit awkward. The statement about reaching in and touching things was regarding the glass vs acrylic res. Thin walled tubing simply collapses far easier, and many times can not make the bends that would be ideal for clean tube routing. This is why it is incredibly rare that you see custom loops with 3/8 x 1/2".
 
#18 ·
Trash, collapsing, etc... No idea. I'm using 3/8 - 1/2 soft tubing and EK compression fittings and I haven't seen any problems as yet. My turns work and no collapsing walls. Perhaps I'm just not making sharp enough turns? (I tend to use fittings for 90 degree turns.)

As for touching my tubing... I won't go there.
 
#19 ·
Regarding the fittings, have used like Alphacool which are rubbish nothing more, they started to leak, EK supplied fittings are pretty good and no leaks etc and no issues with them and I quite like them, Bitspower have used on friend build and agree they're pretty good and used as well their D5 pump top with which I've been very disappointed, then have used on my build like XSPC which are great fittings and reasonable priced, Barrow which I bought to test them and must admit they are very nice, no leaks etc and in my case I prefer them to EK or XSPC...

Tubing tried PrimoChill and this tubing will starts to yellowing after 2-3 months and wouldn't be using that tubing on my builds,then EK DuraClear which is very same tubing as PrimoChill, went with Mayhems UV White and no regrets

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by jura11 View Post

Regarding the fittings, have used like Alphacool which are rubbish nothing more, they started to leak, EK supplied fittings are pretty good and no leaks etc and no issues with them and I quite like them, Bitspower have used on friend build and agree they're pretty good and used as well their D5 pump top with which I've been very disappointed, then have used on my build like XSPC which are great fittings and reasonable priced, Barrow which I bought to test them and must admit they are very nice, no leaks etc and in my case I prefer them to EK or XSPC...

Tubing tried PrimoChill and this tubing will starts to yellowing after 2-3 months and wouldn't be using that tubing on my builds,then EK DuraClear which is very same tubing as PrimoChill, went with Mayhems UV White and no regrets

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura
thanks for the suggestions ( this goes for everyone above as well)

I plan on using black tubing. Im not doing it for aesthetics, just performance. and dont want to worry about what color the liquid is.
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

thanks for the suggestions ( this goes for everyone above as well)

I plan on using black tubing. Im not doing it for aesthetics, just performance. and dont want to worry about what color the liquid is.
Hi there

For fittings you will see there and worth to check few builds

Personally I like XSPC and Barrow fittings

For tubing have look on EK ZMT which seems is one of the best plain tubing, have used that tubing on friend build and I will be putting this tubing on my loop when I will be redoing my loop

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by garyd9 View Post

Trash, collapsing, etc... No idea. I'm using 3/8 - 1/2 soft tubing and EK compression fittings and I haven't seen any problems as yet. My turns work and no collapsing walls. Perhaps I'm just not making sharp enough turns? (I tend to use fittings for 90 degree turns.)

As for touching my tubing... I won't go there.
Most of the time nobody will have a problem using 3/8 - 1/2 tube anyways. A lot has been improved since I started getting into wc.
Even if there was a problem with collapsing its easily remedied by a elbow fitting off the component. Even if the 1/2 id 3/4 od builds I've done in the past I do angled fittings to reduce bending. So it's nothing special. But I think elitist come out of the wood work and got an opinion on the 1% chance there might be a issue.
 
#23 ·
It's not really elitist... If you don't know the "it's fine but not in this case" situations you both mention then you risk running into issues, which are worth noting when a beginner is shopping for starter kits...
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by claes View Post

It's not really elitist... If you don't know the "it's fine but not in this case" situations you both mention then you risk running into issues, which are worth noting when a beginner is shopping for starter kits...
Some AIO's out there collapse or even shatter their inner lining, if bent too far. AIO's are for noobs too so I guess they shouldn't be recomended?
There are tolerances to products and nobody is engineering computer components for toddlers.
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by drm8627 View Post

yea ive read that the ram and VRMs are unnecessary, but i figured if i was going to do the loop, why not include them? cost isnt a huge deal.
Also, are there any well known res/pump combos out there? Like good quality ones?
It seems like its not a huge deal, but unless you have a full cover block, it can make tube routing a pain.
 
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