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This mouse looks AMAZING

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http://imgur.com/6itXUTk Just found yesterday this whil strolling in this forum, apparently is still to be released/not announced but it looks great, WMO/fk2's shape, if it is also shorter in length like kinzu/gpro or ec2 it is the defenitive gonna be my final mouse, really hope ninox will do a good job with this one
 
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Originally Posted by vanir1337 View Post

It was just a concept ages ago.
it's really a shame this type of shells seems have disappeared, in the nowadays releases it's all high back hump/ergo type of shells
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Originally Posted by vanir1337 View Post

It was just a concept ages ago.
ive asked about on their fb page and they said theyre working on something similar, i suppose a rework of WMO/IMO 1.1, theres also a teaser "ninox astrum" so hopes of classic coming back are still alive
 
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Originally Posted by favoxhille View Post

it's really a shame this type of shells seems have disappeared, in the nowadays releases it's all high back hump/ergo type of shells
ive asked about on their fb page and they said theyre working on something similar, i suppose a rework of WMO/IMO 1.1, theres also a teaser "ninox astrum" so hopes of classic coming back are still alive
Ninox isn't them, Ninox is him, a one man project by @bst. Here's the dedicated topic for his stuff. Astrum is most likely going to be a mousepad.
 
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Originally Posted by ov3rmind View Post

Looks like ambi type of ec2. I wont buy if new mouse shape is like that.
I think an ambi ec2 would be really popular in today gaming mouse market since theres no really offer for such mouse, previously there were IMO 1.1 and zowie am, so i think a product like this would definitely be a good pick
 
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Originally Posted by thrillhaus View Post

A WMO/IMO shape with side buttons would be incredible.
Hehe, I am using that mouse right now
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(but its more like a WMO). It looks pretty similar to the one in the picture. Its only a 3D printed prototype, but it feels surprisingly good, the texture from the print even gives it a fair bit of grip.
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But failing that, if @bst or someone would just order a bunch of 3360s in that Sensei shell that every OEM is pushing, and allow the community to flash its own firmware...
I don't know if I can let people flash their own firmware, since it might make the mouse banned from tournaments (although, if thats not the case I'll allow it). Having said that, theres no reason I can't take requests for features, most things don't take much work. Its hard to do it when the factory has the source code because they usually do it wrong, or mess something else up that was fine before :/ But since I'm using qsxcv's firmware as a base for this mouse I won't have to worry about it.
 
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Originally Posted by bst View Post

I don't know if I can let people flash their own firmware, since it might make the mouse banned from tournaments (although, if thats not the case I'll allow it). Having said that, theres no reason I can't take requests for features, most things don't take much work. Its hard to do it when the factory has the source code because they usually do it wrong, or mess something else up that was fine before :/ But since I'm using qsxcv's firmware as a base for this mouse I won't have to worry about it.
Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Mainly I'd just like to be able to set my own debounce. I had a CoolerMaster mouse that had a slider for that in the software. I know most manufacturers will set it to something "reasonably low" that still has some leeway for avoiding the eventual double-click, which ignorant consumers end up blaming build quality for. But being able to set it as high or low as I want means I can bump it up if it starts double-clicking until I get around to opening it up to clean the switches.

Also, access to internals without having to remove the mouse feet would be nice.

I don't know if you're planning on releasing the WMO shape, but if you can only go with existing OEM stuff, the generic Sensei clone is the next best thing. I get that you want something that stands out more, but I think most of your base are just people who want performance in a familiar shape. You could even give it a self-aware name.
 
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Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Mainly I'd just like to be able to set my own debounce. I had a CoolerMaster mouse that had a slider for that in the software. I know most manufacturers will set it to something "reasonably low" that still has some leeway for avoiding the eventual double-click, which ignorant consumers end up blaming build quality for. But being able to set it as high or low as I want means I can bump it up if it starts double-clicking until I get around to opening it up to clean the switches.

Also, access to internals without having to remove the mouse feet would be nice.

I don't know if you're planning on releasing the WMO shape, but if you can only go with existing OEM stuff, the generic Sensei clone is the next best thing. I get that you want something that stands out more, but I think most of your base are just people who want performance in a familiar shape. You could even give it a self-aware name.
It'll use hardware debounce, so it can't be adjusted, but it doesn't need to be, since it works without having to add any delays.The side buttons and DPI button still use software debounce though, but I guess most people don't really mind that and aren't too fussed about altering them (but, probably not a big deal to add the option if people want it).

I think unfortunately I have to put a couple of screws under the front mouse foot, because using clips at the front just isn't as good, and you need the screws far forward enough to make sure the clamping force of the screws is close to the LMB/RMB switches. So its one of those things where I have to choose which is the lesser evil.

The new mouse is going on kickstarter really soon, I hope it gets funded and I can move away from the OEMs
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hardware debounce isn't long term proven. It would be useful to have two firmwares, one with a hardware debounce and one with software. that way if one of the pair of i/o pin burned out from being shorted to ground 99% of the time the mouse could still be salvaged. Using a flipflop made from discretes would take the load off the ic pins, but would add cost.

That may never happen of course. you could have a game changer on your hands with super low click response time. I'll buy one if it goes into production. the good part of the teensy was if it burned out you could swap it out and not have to ditch the sensor. I assume the prototype pcb on the facebook is not the one ending up in the mouse? How big of a production run do you plan for?

edit I have never seen an input_pullup pin burn out, i've only ever burned out pins set to output.
 
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Originally Posted by bst View Post

I think unfortunately I have to put a couple of screws under the front mouse foot, because using clips at the front just isn't as good, and you need the screws far forward enough to make sure the clamping force of the screws is close to the LMB/RMB switches. So its one of those things where I have to choose which is the lesser evil.
Why can't the screws just not be covered by the mouse feet? Or the next best thing, opt for the small 2 x 2 style mouse feet, which are much easier to remove without deforming (they also glide better in my opinion).

Can someone explain how hardware debounce works?
 
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