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My 1080ti has DP1.4 or am I missing something here?

Nvidia also do the GSync scaler that is used in GSync monitors. In fact, it will be used in this monitor for sure, but they have problems with the heat dissipation from what I heard.
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Good, that means we won't see those monitors probably till Q4 2018 at least (further delays as always) or even Q1 2019.

2019 may finally release 120 Hz HDMI 2.1 OLED TVs and then- bb gaming monitors forever.

I will stick till then to my 165hz IPS smile.gif. I can only think of OLED now, but needs to be more than 60Hz first.

It would be nice, but by 2019-2020 MicroLED will probably be out. Even LG is looking into MLED, cheaper and better than OLED.
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To get WQHD 144Hz, they need something better than DP1.2, and I think that they don't have capable scalers yet (nor Nvidia).
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Nvidia also do the GSync scaler that is used in GSync monitors. In fact, it will be used in this monitor for sure, but they have problems with the heat dissipation from what I heard.

Yes I'm guessing that is at least partly the reason for the delay with the panel
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It would be nice, but by 2019-2020 MicroLED will probably be out. Even LG is looking into MLED, cheaper and better than OLED.

lol both of you live in fantasy land

1) 120Hz OLED HDMI 2.1 TVs probably wont come out in 2019. (and if they do, probably only on higher end models) - but 120Hz isnt the only factor when gaming, what about g2g and input latency times ?

and what about burn in (important if its going to be used as a PC monitor) and OLED color filter deterioration over time ? think they gonna solve that in next year ?

and then there is size, I doubt you will be seeing OLED 120Hz HDR TVs in sizes smaller than 40" which makes it not that practical for users with smaller desks

2) MicroLED story has been going on for over 2 years now with no known MLED products on the market

even if its out next year, in 2018., you will still have to wait a few years for prices to drop (look at how OLED TVs are still expensive despite being for some time on the market now) to acceptable consumer levels


its a s***show when it comes to monitors - still no choice but to go with flawed VA/IPS panels and pretend TN isnt being sold for +500$ - at least for another couple of years it looks like

these new ****ty samsung and LG panels with fake HDR and quantum dot are really annoying
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lol both of you live in fantasy land

1) 120Hz OLED HDMI 2.1 TVs probably wont come out in 2019. (and if they do, probably only on higher end models) - but 120Hz isnt the only factor when gaming, what about g2g and input latency times ?

and what about burn in (important if its going to be used as a PC monitor) and OLED color filter deterioration over time ? think they gonna solve that in next year ?

and then there is size, I doubt you will be seeing OLED 120Hz HDR TVs in sizes smaller than 40" which makes it not that practical for users with smaller desks

2) MicroLED story has been going on for over 2 years now with no known MLED products on the market

even if its out next year, in 2018., you will still have to wait a few years for prices to drop (look at how OLED TVs are still expensive despite being for some time on the market now) to acceptable consumer levels


its a s***show when it comes to monitors - still no choice but to go with flawed VA/IPS panels and pretend TN isnt being sold for +500$ - at least for another couple of years it looks like

these new ****ty samsung and LG panels with fake HDR and quantum dot are really annoying

How can you call all new monitors ****ty when you're using 1080p TN at 27 inch? rolleyes.gif

Most OLED issues are gone these days (2016 models and forward), but it's not perfect. MLED will be close to perfect tho.
Edited by Lass3 - 10/20/17 at 4:28am
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How can you call all new monitors ****ty when you're using 1080p TN at 27 inch? rolleyes.gif

cause its a new monitor (purchased in 2015) - and TN panels are still being sold so they are still relevant

and I've been on a look out for a new monitor for the past year - I am fully aware of all of the QC issues plaguing current gaming monitors and how much bull*hit marketing there is today

there isnt a single decent IPS/VA high refresh rate monitor on the market without at least 2 or 3 issues (BLB, excessive IPS glow, poor viewing angles, low g2g times, overshot, undershot, motion blurring, etc)
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Most OLED issues are gone these days (2016 models and forward), but it's not perfect. MLED will be close to perfect tho.

the most important OLED issue still hasnt been resolved - burn in and green color fading at a much faster rate then other colors (one of the reasons why samsung still uses pentile OLED with double the number of green subpixels)

OLED was supposed to be perfect as well but it still isnt after all these years (my first OLED device was HTC Desire from 2010...) and its still expensive (not to mention the only mainstream OLED monitor in existence, was recently pulled from the market)

I dont hold any hopes for MicroLED being a factor any time soon
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the most important OLED issue still hasnt been resolved - burn in and green color fading at a much faster rate then other colors (one of the reasons why samsung still uses pentile OLED with double the number of green subpixels)

The green thing is a non-issue with LG's OLED, which uses RGBW pixels, or white OLEDs with RGB filters on them. Also, there are very few reports of burn-in with LG's panels. Quite a few members on here using them as monitors with no problems.
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I think Samsung has been doing a number with their propaganda. So much bad info out there on OLED.
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I predict all these FALD monitors are going to suck.

First off. If the "FALD" only works with predetermined crappy "game" or movie modes ect, locking out the settings as it does on the already released Dell UP2718q, and then as far as much greater than 1000:1 contrast ratios not being a true reality outside of HDR content, so still having IPS glow on the desktop in general is entirely likely, unless you can use those modes exclusively, which probably looks like crap in anything other than HDR games or movies, anyway. So those of us wanting that CRT experience on the desktop from an IPS panel aren't likely to get it from FALD.

Second there isn't much HDR content in PC gaming yet. Though i'm sure it's coming at a feverish pace sooner than later,... to consoles, as a 144Hz+ or whatever Gsync PC monitor with, FALD and HDR, it's going to be a disappointment for anything but the early adopters who don't care and will have it for their small hadnfull games regardless.

Though we could assume better uniformity in general with FALD, backlight bleed will still be a very real possibility without greatly stepped up QC from manufacturers, which seems unlikely, but one would hope at this price they would.

Blooming. Which i suspect will be more of a bother to some people than others. I am positive if i notice it i will not be able to unsee it from that point forward and therefore hate it.

Regardless since normal desktop usage and every day content creation won't likely be practical with Fald it will just be a nich feature and a let down, at least those of us looking for the CRT or Oled experience where you just have that contrast and deep blacks all the time in every day usage. So it's just an average desktop monitor anyway most of the time.

None of this adds up to being worth what they will cost at least at first, for most people. So most people might want to wait 2-4 years down the road when it's more of a main stream thing and content and newer models/panels come out and they hopefully have all the kinks worked out, and perhaps the prices come down a bit. Though hopefully Oled or something else takes LCD place for desktop monitors by that time. Desktop Monitors. NOT 40"-60" TVS.

And lastly and almost assuredly, VGA drivers, Games, Windows OS, and general compatibility are probably going to be spotty to abysmal here and there.

So i see these likely will be a giant 2k dollar let down, not really a let down considering those very real possibilities since i won't be buying one. But even for people who might want all these features without considering the limit in use as they may be at first. Unless it's just worth it to them for a handful of console titles, and a few PC games while having to also run Dual 1080Ti overclocked under water to even make use of the Hz .

Lastly the only redeeming factor would be 200Hz, but ppi at 21:9 1440p is still lame for the money and being IPS it is is doubtful the Hz will matter much, or even be viable unless by some miracle.

Backlit LCD just needs to DIE.
Edited by KGPrime - 10/20/17 at 9:20am
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Backlit LCD just needs to DIE.

i have an oled right next to an ips, both calibrated from factory to the same specs.
I prefer IPS during content creation for its natural accurate tones
i prefer the oled for consumption for the crushed blacks and eye-poppin' vibrancy

pro's and con's of each...i think it's silly to generalize LCDs in general. There are some absolute craps out there, and ones that are excellent.
     
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