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Really nice clocks for a 10C/20T.

Seems like Bennet was blatantly wrong this round.
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Then X299 will launch. Reviews and benchmarks will be out. Reviewers will be hitting 4.7-4.8GHz with the 8 core 7820X on an AIO Cooler not Delidded, performance will show it being 15-20% faster than a Ryzen 1800X overclock vs overclock. Then everyone will be back to loving Intel again.... lachen.gif

Intel's performance has always been there, it's the greedy pricing that has hurt them. Now AMD is helping to bring that back to realistic levels.
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This is factually incorrect, unless you game at 1080p and expect to be running into CPU bottleneck because you want 100+ FPS. In a realistic scenario (1440p, GPU bottlenecked), they are on par

But that's with current gpus. People purchasing a 7900X or 7820X will most likely have a couple of GPU upgrades over the next 3 or 4 years.
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But that's with current gpus. People purchasing a 7900X or 7820X will most likely have a couple of GPU upgrades over the next 3 or 4 years.

So will the games increase their requirements. More graphic bells and whistles.
What I'm basing my choices on is a gaming comparison on hardocp.com - they did a lot of games comparing 2600K to 7700K to 8 core Ryzen in real life gaming scenarios. All CPUs were overclocked and tested with different GPUs. Memory was also OCed, although Ryzen got the short end of the sticks as it was with lower memory clocks.
Granted their target framerate is as always 60fps so all you people with 144 monitors may disregard those tests as with 144 fps target results would be different but for most gamers there was no difference because games were mostly GPU limited (unless 5% is a deciding factor). Where i7 shines is with high fps scenarios, there you can spot 10-20% advantage from Intel, even more with competitive e-sports like CS:GO.
Even so I would wait for Threadripper results as it has different IF configuration and I have to wonder how will it impact gaming performance (4 memory channels can alter it a lot).
    
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Yeah, I feel like the "bandwagoning" these days is getting a little out of hand. Sure when you compare the prices to the competition Intel falls short but I mean only a few days ago I was looking at gaming performance of Ryzen and it was no better than my 2600k; in some titles even worse with less performance. Then looking at the 7700k it is easily 10-20 fps higher on average than the 1700X in every title; same goes with a 1600X and of course these were OC vs OC results. I mean if you are only getting 45-50 fps from a GPU, that can be the difference between having a smooth pleasant experience and not, because from the CPU choice alone it will be the difference between getting 60 fps or not. After seeing that I said to myself, I couldn't find myself building an entirely new rig only lose performance in gaming. Makes no sense really.


People forget you get what you pay for. Ryzen's performance is pretty good, coming from Bulldozer and Piledriver to Ryzen is like a world of difference definitely. Glad to see AMD competing again, and happy that they will finally be able to gain some market share. Alongside forcing Intel to be more competitive and work harder. With that all being said, Ryzen has it cons just as much as it has its pros. Its multi-threaded performance is great, IPC is Haswell-ish, maybe in between Broadwell, but the gaming performance is just not there yet. I know this will get better over time, but again this is the same story we always hear with AMD products. The waiting game for getting the performance you should have at launch. Anyway, nothing against Ryzen, I simply can't see myself building an entirely new rig only to be getting less performance than I was previously in games. I understand if you do more than just game, or you are building a rig from scratch and are getting started into the PC World, that it might be better to go with Ryzen. However, for me, Ryzen wouldn't really be an upgrade for gaming. Which is my primary use for my computer. Aside from making music, I game, and I already saw a benchmark comparing Ryzen to Intel for music production and Ryzen gets blown out the water (getting beat by Intel by nearly 150%).


Anyway, enough of the rant. Definitely leaning more towards the 6 core, but I said I want a SiliconLottery sample this time around, so pricing will be the main determining factor especially including the Delidding service. Either way I'm looking at least at a 30% increase in performance, more if I go with the 6 core.

This is factually incorrect, unless you game at 1080p and expect to be running into CPU bottleneck because you want 100+ FPS. In a realistic scenario (1440p, GPU bottlenecked), they are on par - with Ryzen often having better minimums. I made a thread about this a while back. Here is the link to the review: http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508/3

I'm not saying Ryzen is perfect - I'll likely be buying a 7820X myself* - but that doesn't make it a bad chip for the general user. *For which I have a very legitimate reason: my next system is going to be a personal build, but it's also going to serve as promotion material for my company. And while unjustified, you lose credibility under gamers when using anything else but an i7 rolleyes.gif And when I'm doing a build that costs me 5 grand, I'm not gonna whine about the last €200-300 for a 7820X instead of an 1800X if it doubles the marketing value. On top of that, the OC'd 7820X will likely be faster than in both multi and single than the highest clocked Ryzen chip - although one should compare it to threadripper to make a value comparison.

If you lose credibility among 'gamers' just because you don't use an i7 then those gamers are obviously children or so ignorant they are totally clueless.

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I really don't know how you all reached the conclusion that the 7900X clocks well from a video showing a sponsored overclocker with a binned chip in a freezing room while the CPU is reaching 90ºC.

I'm not saying that it won't clock well, but this evidence is absolutely flawed.
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Each time new Intel chip shows up i hear it breaks 5GHZ.
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Also from another forum, on the same topic, with the same video as the OP:



Claims average overclock is 4.6-5.0GHz with 4.5GHz being pretty standard with bad cooling.

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Hmm really makes ya think huh?
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Can't people just search the other user's name from his picture?

That AIO from Corsair is using an aluminum radiator though and almost everyone with custom would go with copper radiators.
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h115i-280mm-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/ek-fluid-gaming-a240g-cpu-gpu-liquid-cooling-review,12.html

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240 Copper 68C max
240 Aluminum 73C max
If that 280mm from Corsair was copper, it should be lower in temperature.
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