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post #11 of 20
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As said there is more to it than that, while in theory higher would be better, there are as said, other more important factors to latency than the polling rate, basically the issue is:


Which isnt true, and in combination with your chart implies that the Pulsefire would have a better motion latency than the 403, which is practically impossible, especially for a product that was completely outsourced.

So I think we have a problem here bc I provided screen shots above for proof, and I certainly am not making them up. I'm guessing here that this tool isn't as realizable as I thought. I can assure you those numbers are right despite your claim. I'm willing to bet that a few things play into it being higher. Could have been bc I was using it in wireless function, and also the Zowie tool isn't good at getting the right average polling rate. I will look into this , and while I know a decent amount about mice, I didn't realize or noticed that the 1000Hz for the 403 would be odd. I just considered it to be an issue with it being wireless. So my plan here is to check the results over with another Mouse testing program.
Edited by Jedson3614 - 6/27/17 at 4:50pm
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post #12 of 20

You missed the point, the 60hz difference is irrelevant for latency, as, as previously mentioned, other aspects are more important, if you would set the G403 or the Pro to 500hz it would still have lower motion latency than the Pulsefire, and the Zowie Tool or any other would still be accurate to a certain degree, but it just simply measures Frequency, not latency.

post #13 of 20
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You missed the point, the 60hz difference is irrelevant for latency, as, as previously mentioned, other aspects are more important, if you would set the G403 or the Pro to 500hz it would still have lower motion latency than the Pulsefire, and the Zowie Tool or any other would still be accurate to a certain degree, but it just simply measures Frequency, not latency.

Please point out in the article where I said my graph was measuring latency and not Hz? I mean the graph does Boldly say Hz on the title. I could care less that you think the G403 is better, it measured what it did with the Zowie tool. Quite frankly, you missed the point because your too busy trying to prove me wrong. There is nothing to change here, I measured each mouse with the tool provided and those are the numbers I got. The Zowie tool gives me the polling rate in Hz and I made a graph based on those results. Take it as you will! I bet if I ran the mouse checker program and had similar results we wouldn't be having this conversation, it's bc you want to try and prove something.

My results are what they are and my representation of Hz is true to what was provided by my tool , even if you disagree with them. I also am done with this conversation, because you'll find anything to complain about. The fact is I measured Hz and I never mentioned that represented latency , your just adding that to the mix. Your interpreting that from Hz, and assuming that's what I meant.

The only time latency came up was when you mentioned it and when we were talking about milliseconds. I never said in the article that's what I was measuring so I'm sick of repeating myself. Hz was MEASURED not TIME!!!!! It's as simple as that.

I understand the definition of polling rate, DPI, CPI , and IPS, it sounds like You don't. I get there are other FACTORS involved but I'm not talking rocket science here! I'm referencing numbers in Hz from a program and recorded what I got. Perhaps you should read up on polling rate and paste the definition here, bc I would love to see one that says anything different from what I said. Higher rate = lower rate in milliseconds.

1000 - 1ms 500- 2 ms 250- 4 ms 125- 8ms

"Polling Rate Explained

A mouse’s polling rate is how often it reports its position to a computer. Polling rate is measured in Hz. If a mouse has a 125 Hz polling rate, it reports its position to the computer 125 times every second—or every 8 milliseconds. A 500 Hz rate means that the mouse is reporting its position to the computer every 2 milliseconds.

A higher polling rate can decrease the lag that occurs between when you move your mouse and when the movement shows up on your screen. On the other hand, a higher polling rate will use more CPU resources as the CPU has to query the mouse for its position more often.

A mouse that officially supports a higher polling rate will generally allow you to select a polling rate in its control panel. Some mice may have hardware switches to adjust their polling rate on the fly, too."

So unless you have definitive proof that statement I made and that definition is wrong , I'm done with this conversation!

Your way over complicating this. It's simple, I ran a program that measured the polling rate in Hz and I recorded the results as is.

Wait..... I haven't shared the best part! This review is my own opinion and own experience with the Pulsefire, and I like it!!!!

I'm sorry if you disagree with that, these are my words and my experiences with the mouse, but hey when you get the Pulsefire for review let me know and I would love to see your benchmarks. Maybe then we could compare results.
Edited by Jedson3614 - 6/27/17 at 9:36pm
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post #14 of 20
I like the pulsefire, i'm also using it currently. I liked the shape, reminds me of the ZA11 or even the old MS1.1a in a way, even tough its supposed to be an ergo mouse, it feels like ambi.

The only things I really don't like on this is the inability to change the LOD like on zowies, it can be crazy high lod on some pads, and the inability to change HZ like on every other gaming mouse.
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Where to start even?


While polling rate has an impact on latency there are far more important factors, like Firmware/MCU combination and Sensor Settings, and not even the Logitech's reach a motion latency of under/within 1ms.

Now as for the Pulsefire itself, we know that it has 3310, which is widely known to have soothing, which in turn increases motion latency, add maybe a sub-par FW on top of that and we can easily have ~7-8ms motion latency or above.

What I find funny about this post was the original one stating "Polling Rate ≠ Latency......" So then just above here you say "While polling rate has an impact on latency" Your talking out of both sides of your mouth, simply put by definition of polling rate, it does have an impact on "Latency" or "Response", call it what you want, it affects how fast the mouse refreshes itself to the computer, or more definitely where the cursor is on the screen and how fast it's being moved and updated between the computer and mouse. Also, DPI does paly a role in how effective this is in moving to jitter or stutter. Now, there are other factors like you claim that can be affected by this, but really simply put it's not a rocket science formula. Most people know High poll rate sounds good, low latency good. I'm not saying just because a mouse contains those though, that it's any good. I'm just simply saying these are features that are considered into "Gaming", "Expensive", or "High-performance Mice", call them whatever you want.

You also go on to also say "add maybe a sub-par FW on top of that and we can easily have ~7-8ms motion latency or above." So really you yourself admitted that Latency does play a role! So at this point, I'm confused to your motive here, and not sure what you're trying to say. Simply put Latency does play a role in the polling rate, but it's not the entire picture, and no one here was claiming that! It's really quite easy because it all comes down to if you like the mouse, the design of it, and how it feels to you.
Edited by Jedson3614 - 6/28/17 at 7:29am
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post #16 of 20
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I like the pulsefire, i'm also using it currently. I liked the shape, reminds me of the ZA11 or even the old MS1.1a in a way, even tough its supposed to be an ergo mouse, it feels like ambi.

The only things I really don't like on this is the inability to change the LOD like on zowies, it can be crazy high lod on some pads, and the inability to change HZ like on every other gaming mouse.

The LOD or lift off distance isn't that good, especially for a mouse designed for shooters, I feel that plays a key role. I guess it depends too on factors like what type of shooter. Something like Quake Champion that I tested, which is more of a twitch Deathmatch shooter, doesn't require much lift off distance. It's because you are moving from side to side a lot, but other games like MOBAS or some shooters with sniping have me lifting the mouse up to reposition it. I think the G403 and Gpro, in my opinion, have been the best at this. What's cool though is I know Corsair software include LOD tuning, but I haven't seen much in other gaming software. In the Logitech software, you can even turn a surface area or mouse mat.
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post #17 of 20
Don't want to into an argument here, just like to point out that unless the mouse reports alot higher or lower than its set polling rate, the actual polling rate almost does not matter at all (ast long as we're using at least 500Hz or 1KHz). For fast mouse response, it comes down to what he points out (FW implementation etc), so including the reported Hz chart in a review really says nothing unless it is in case to demonstrate proof of deviation from retailers listed values (or, to falsely claim this mouse is "better"). Omitting the chart altogether would aid in credibility of this review.
post #18 of 20
@jedson, that review is terrible and you should take it down. Higher is better shows your lack of knowlege on the subject and now youre being flamed.
post #19 of 20
what a awful review frown.gif
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what a awful review frown.gif

Instead of just saying that as a statement, could you provide the reviewer tips on improving?
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