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[G3D] MSI: Radeon RX Vega needs a lot of power

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Over at some Dutch forums MSI Marketing Director Eric Van Beurden made a bit of a slip of the tongue. In a reaction (written in Dutch) he commented on the specs of the consumer edition(s) Radeon RX Vega.

So he wrote this :


I'm Dutch, my translation would be spot on. He states, I've seen the Radeon RX VEGA specifications, "dang that product needs power". He then states that MSI is working on the card and a launch is pending (which is a bit of an open door alright). He does not mention any detailed specs though.

But board partners thus ARE working actively on Vega and well, we already know that these cards sit in the 250~300 Watt board power region. Perhaps higher?
...believe or not...it will be a powerful card
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What do you guys think ?

thx to caswow 2nd source https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6it7sv/msi_damn_rx_vega_needs_a_lot_of_power/dj8uvi0/
3rd source PCGH : MSI about Radeon RX Vega: Power-hungry, but powerful?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcgameshardware.de%2FVega-Codename-265481%2FNews%2FMSI-Radeon-RX-Vega-Leistungsaufnahme-Performance-1231289%2F&edit-text=
 
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It's still some random person on the internet talking about a card that might release at the end of July. Lets wait for another week and get real power numbers from the frontier release. Then we can all start bashing the power efficiency if it deserves it.
 
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Assuming Polaris levels of efficiency (not sure up to which point it is a remotely accurate assumption since it supposedly clocks at 1.6GHz out of the box), you're looking at two Polaris' worth of power consumption (therefore processing power), which kind of translates to somewhere around 1080Ti levels of performance.

Of course, that's a super vague estimation based on two assumed metrics, so don't give it any credibility.

Also, we know Vega does 13 TFLOPS while Polaris (in RX480 fancy, which is what I used for the power estimations) barely breaks over 5.2 TFLOPS.
 
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1080/1080ti tdp is 180-200W. Vega possibly running hotter is not the primary concern.
 
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It will be a hot summer they say ^^

Yep let's wait for it and if it is a slice better as a 1080 then ,AMD take my money !

Don't forget it's a guy from marketing who posted this...
 
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

Assuming Polaris levels of efficiency (not sure up to which point it is a remotely accurate assumption since it supposedly clocks at 1.6GHz out of the box), you're looking at two Polaris' worth of power consumption (therefore processing power), which kind of translates to somewhere around 1080Ti levels of performance.

Of course, that's a super vague estimation based on two assumed metrics, so don't give it any credibility.

Also, we know Vega does 13 TFLOPS while Polaris (in RX480 fancy, which is what I used for the power estimations) barely breaks over 5.2 TFLOPS.
It's pretty much impossible to predict anyway. They're overhauling the compute unit too much to compare. Contrast with Polaris which is maaaybe 15% better than 28nm GCN and about the same design.

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Originally Posted by Caldeio View Post

If it's under 450w-500w I'll be fine adding it too my rx470 and ryzen build on 750w power supply.

I cant wait! I just hope the cut down version is 350-399$ and is like 1080 power.
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No single GPU has ever needed that much power and no HBM GPU will be that cheap.
 
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how convenient that the rest was left out
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Keep in mind that the quote showed in the screenshot is missing his follow-up post.

Someone replied:
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That aint a positive sign.
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That depends on the level of performance... :)
TheSource indeed works for MSI and has been sharing little bits of rumours on Tweakers for a long time now and his statements have proven, on multiple occasions, to be accurate. These statements range from technical- to launch- to availability details. He has been through NDA issues in the past (including Vega and AMD this very year), so I'm going to assume that he is fairly sure that he wasn't breaking the NDA with this 'leak'.
Don't forget that the GTX 1080Ti (aftermarket cards) ranges from 265W all the way to 365W on peak load, depending on the voltage, clocks etc. If Vega is in any way similar to Polaris then people can also underclock it to reduce the wattage (and heat) accordingly. He mentioned 350W @ 1600MHz for Vega....
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6it7sv/msi_damn_rx_vega_needs_a_lot_of_power/dj8uvi0/
 
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nice one caswow !!!
 
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Originally Posted by CynicalUnicorn View Post

It's pretty much impossible to predict anyway. They're overhauling the compute unit too much to compare. Contrast with Polaris which is maaaybe 15% better than 28nm GCN and about the same design.
Yeah, precisely.

You've got different CUs, higher clocks, a different process, HBM, new compression algorythms... All we can determine is that it will be faster. That's it lol
 
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Probably because the die is so big. Lots of power is lost in the interconnect.

Also, literally translated it says:

"Saw the specs of RX Vega. Tuberculosis, what an amount of power it needs. We're working on it, that's a start so launch is nearing."

Tuberculosis because of Dutch. We swear with diseases
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getting full here ^^ and counting !
 
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Originally Posted by CynicalUnicorn View Post

It's pretty much impossible to predict anyway. They're overhauling the compute unit too much to compare. Contrast with Polaris which is maaaybe 15% better than 28nm GCN and about the same design.
No single GPU has ever needed that much power and no HBM GPU will be that cheap.
cough og titan/290x/fermi ect overclocked
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Originally Posted by Wuest3nFuchs View Post


...believe or not...it will be a powerful card
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What do you guys think ?

thx to caswow
2nd source https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6it7sv/msi_damn_rx_vega_needs_a_lot_of_power/dj8uvi0/
I think that there will be countless spins of making AMD look bad again whether warranted or not especially when it comes to "one person says and half the world repeats what one person said".
The Titan X, Xp, XP, Ti, ... is no 200W card either. Want a powerhouse of performance well then it always consumes a lot of power. Competition is in the above 300W mark as well with similar performance chips.
 
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

I think that there will be countless spins of making AMD look bad again whether warranted or not especially when it comes to "one person says and half the world repeats what one person said".
The Titan X, Xp, XP, Ti, ... is no 200W card either. Want a powerhouse of performance well then it always consumes a lot of power. Competition is in the above 300W mark as well with similar performance chips.
yep i also had that in my mind
 
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If it needs a lot of power, it better match the performance of 1080ti. It will be devastrating if it only ends up between 1080 and 1080ti.
 
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