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Probably just get a better cooling system.
I've been looking and theorising, and for my 7900x at least, a 360 rad will get you to 4.8, a 420 rad will get you to 4.9, and a win in the silicone lottery will get you more, or going over 1.3v of course.
I guess that means that a 280 will get you to 4.7 smile.gif

Would need a new case for anything larger than a 280 smile.gif

Everything I tried is 100% stable @4.8 (games + synthetic benches), even though temps will never hit that high for day to day use, I just have a worried feeling about it. I am a novice at overclocking, but was thinking if I can get it stable with a reduced vcore but a higher vcin, would it reduce my temps?
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@CptSpig if you're here what was your end result for your cpu settings and clock? Still waiting for a response here from others while tinkering, but I seriously have no idea what settings require other things to change as well, so its nonstop offsets to get ideas...

I'd really love to know

1) What a healthy / max voltage to stay under for 24/7 usage
2) Temps ( stay under 80? or )


Also for CPU VCCIN do I start with 1.8 1.9? how to tell on this?

At my current settings for 4.4 no issues in tests etc, however running OBS and setting to slow, slower, slowest etc for some reason the CPU keeps jumping back and forth from 4.1-4.4ghz on random cores as if it can't hold, temps aren't going any higher than the high 60's so I'm wondering whats causing the CPU not to be able to hold a steady run.

@jpmboy I ran through the list and changed quite a few settings for stuff to have on/off on mine, I see the adaptive voltage per core and guessing that must've taken a while on there, did you use offsets to achieve this via prime or?
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@CptSpig if you're here what was your end result for your cpu settings and clock? Still waiting for a response here from others while tinkering, but I seriously have no idea what settings require other things to change as well, so its nonstop offsets to get ideas...

I'd really love to know

1) What a healthy / max voltage to stay under for 24/7 usage
2) Temps ( stay under 80? or )


Also for CPU VCCIN do I start with 1.8 1.9? how to tell on this?

At my current settings for 4.4 no issues in tests etc, however running OBS and setting to slow, slower, slowest etc for some reason the CPU keeps jumping back and forth from 4.1-4.4ghz on random cores as if it can't hold, temps aren't going any higher than the high 60's so I'm wondering whats causing the CPU not to be able to hold a steady run.

@jpmboy I ran through the list and changed quite a few settings for stuff to have on/off on mine, I see the adaptive voltage per core and guessing that must've taken a while on there, did you use offsets to achieve this via prime or?
1. I haven't used OBS, but it compresses and encodes, does it use AVX instructions to do so?
2. Windows is really terrible at resource management, it both under and over subscribes CPU resources such that the default behavior has high core count processors failing to reach full speed when load is uneven. I have no issue testing "by usage" setups in linux. Windows often loads up "unused cores" for reasons I can't explain or predict and drives things to the "all cores" clock rate.
3. Even when its working well, you are going to see fluctuation based on I/O bottlenecks (disk, network, filesystem, etc... ) So, some of this is normal.
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Originally Posted by LunaP View Post

@CptSpig if you're here what was your end result for your cpu settings and clock? Still waiting for a response here from others while tinkering, but I seriously have no idea what settings require other things to change as well, so its nonstop offsets to get ideas...

I'd really love to know

1) What a healthy / max voltage to stay under for 24/7 usage
2) Temps ( stay under 80? or )


Also for CPU VCCIN do I start with 1.8 1.9? how to tell on this?

At my current settings for 4.4 no issues in tests etc, however running OBS and setting to slow, slower, slowest etc for some reason the CPU keeps jumping back and forth from 4.1-4.4ghz on random cores as if it can't hold, temps aren't going any higher than the high 60's so I'm wondering whats causing the CPU not to be able to hold a steady run.

@jpmboy I ran through the list and changed quite a few settings for stuff to have on/off on mine, I see the adaptive voltage per core and guessing that must've taken a while on there, did you use offsets to achieve this via prime or?
the adaptive per core settings are based upon the individual core's VID. Remember, adaptive cannot run below the VID for a given core and I was able t get the *cores to 4.6 with only a slight bump in the 4.5VID. Yeah - it's an odd setup, but had to try. Synching all cores is very straight forward. When pushing things a bit more than 24/7 work, I go with manual override running below the VIDs, c-states and the turbo residence settings in that screen pack. smile.gif
RUns fine as a per core.. and free benefit is 2 cores at one notch higher with little more voltage. I wnat to try a per core manual override and drop the vcore for each as far as stability will allow.
And.. I do not use p95 on this processor. It's a left over from the Jurassic cpu epoc. smile.gif
x264, x265, HCi memtest, GSAT (which uses AVX). For me, getting really solid ram stability is the most important. I can adjust core voltage on the fly if ever needed.
Edit: VCCIN... stay (well) below 2V. I have not needed more than 1.8 for normal use, 1.95 for some benches (like the final two modules in geekbench 3 (x64).
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1. I haven't used OBS, but it compresses and encodes, does it use AVX instructions to do so?
2. Windows is really terrible at resource management, it both under and over subscribes CPU resources such that the default behavior has high core count processors failing to reach full speed when load is uneven. I have no issue testing "by usage" setups in linux. Windows often loads up "unused cores" for reasons I can't explain or predict and drives things to the "all cores" clock rate.
3. Even when its working well, you are going to see fluctuation based on I/O bottlenecks (disk, network, filesystem, etc... ) So, some of this is normal.

OBS doesn't utilize AVX to my knowledge, I'll double check w/ the creator though gimme a few hes away atm.

Shouldn't be any bottlenecks as far as filesystem / disk go since 960 pro however I could try making it utilize the 850 pro instead but no drops in the write times and only testing for 1 -3 minutes at a time.
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the adaptive per core settings are based upon the individual core's VID. Remember, adaptive cannot run below the VID for a given core and I was able t get the *cores to 4.6 with only a slight bump in the 4.5VID. Yeah - it's an odd setup, but had to try. Synching all cores is very straight forward. When pushing things a bit more than 24/7 work, I go with manual override running below the VIDs, c-states and the turbo residence settings in that screen pack. smile.gif
RUns fine as a per core.. and free benefit is 2 cores at one notch higher with little more voltage. I wnat to try a per core manual override and drop the vcore for each as far as stability will allow.
And.. I do not use p95 on this processor. It's a left over from the Jurassic cpu epoc. smile.gif
x264, x265, HCi memtest, GSAT (which uses AVX). For me, getting really solid ram stability is the most important. I can adjust core voltage on the fly if ever needed.
Edit: VCCIN... stay (well) below 2V. I have not needed more than 1.8 for normal use, 1.95 for some benches (like the final two modules in geekbench 3 (x64).


Ah ok thanks, noted for VCCIN as I've seen a few variance between 1.8 and 1.9 with some people. Also I noticed you're running at 200% vs 140% is that safe I thought 200+ was for LN2? ( based on the text file you uploaded )

As for OC wise, any settings I could try offhand just to test this thing, ie vcore, SA , VCCIO, and cache? and or whats safe to try?

I'm grabbing those apps you mentioned now, already grabbed cinebench, realbench, handbrake, and purchasing HCI. Also grabbed h264
Edited by LunaP - 11/20/17 at 11:06am
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okay, I'll tell... it runs very high current demand when set up properly (eg, 4K 4x overkill or higher). it's not whether it completes, it is whether the correction factor is >0.95.
(was the same for BWE and HWE)
now ya know. wink.gif

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Have anyone tested the difference with different core speeds in games?

I was wondering if I should test the difference between let's say 4.2 ghz, 4.4, 4.6 and 4.8 ghz with the same mesh OC (3.0-3.2ghz) and mem OC (4000mhz CL17). Wondering if the difference would be noticable at all..

I am now trying to find the best power to wattage clock. I am around 155 watts at 4.5 ghz under Cinebench. (Which seems to be almost as heavy as RB temp/power wise) 4.9 ghz at 1.350V peaked 80'C on one core and 250 watts.. tongue.gif
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OBS doesn't utilize AVX to my knowledge, I'll double check w/ the creator though gimme a few hes away atm.

Shouldn't be any bottlenecks as far as filesystem / disk go since 960 pro however I could try making it utilize the 850 pro instead but no drops in the write times and only testing for 1 -3 minutes at a time.
Ah ok thanks, noted for VCCIN as I've seen a few variance between 1.8 and 1.9 with some people. Also I noticed you're running at 200% vs 140% is that safe I thought 200+ was for LN2? ( based on the text file you uploaded )
Even the super-duper-awesoms 960 in nasty 4K random block mixed read/write can slow down to 10's of MB/s. So, on the scale of the processor able saturate PCIEx4, this means it has to wait "a little".

Beyond that Windows (or any OS, but Windows in particular has never been strong with I/O scheduling) can get bound up servicing I/O in various instances which don't present as fatal performance bottlenecks, but on the mS scale window to choose a clock rate the i7/i9 will throttle down "a little".

The reported frequency is effectively a sample of state taken periodically, so the blip can be tiny, but you see it on a 1-3 second interval depending on the tool. I see this all the time in linux - even "pegged" (100% load reported to the OS) the processors are wandering frequency-wise. This is key to how Intel et al. save power these days.

BTW - there are parameters in the BIOS as well as power settings in windows that set these. You can manipulate the windows that the chip uses to determine when the throttle down due to load. I haven't played with them in windows - in linux, I set the "performance" governor if it matters, but the difference is usually quite small in real-world performance. I think I saw them in "Tweaker's Paradise", they are actually better presented in many xeon bios setups as they very much influence a server's performance depending on what it does and how it is configured.
Edited by cekim - 11/20/17 at 11:23am
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I'd say so. It's a good high current synthetic encode. smile.gif
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