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[YT] The X299 VRM Disaster (en)

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#1 ·
Famous german overclocker "der8auer" tested some of the upcoming X299 mainboards and found that the temperatures (especially the VRM) are way to high and that a single 8pin connector for the CPU is not enough for overclocking in this generation. He claims that Intel rushed the launch of their new CPUs and the mainboard manufactures had not enough time for their new mainboards and decided for design over function.
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by Urtie View Post

Sounds a lot like mandatory water.. I knew this launch was rushed, but I didn't know it was this bad.
If by water you mean a loop incorporating the VRM then I'm with you. The socket temps are bad, but the VRM temps aren't faring well either as the mainboards are struggling with the current and heat.
 
#7 ·
Nothing new. The coolers on VRMs have been cosmetic for a few recent years, obviously with more demanding platforms it becomes a problem.
I would wait 1-2 months not for better x299 boards but for x399 boards instead.

Cooling wise there are only a few companies and areas that are not outright awful.

Also testing with 10 core... get the 18 core and OC it, then try not to burn the house down when using x299...
 
#8 ·
Good video. Thanks der8aur that you are honest, kinda weird nowdays
 
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#10 ·
OOOPS!

Did Intel slip up in rushing X299 to meet Ryzen and ThreadRipper?

I feel sorry for the early adopters, think GBA-GBA SP, except this is a fire hazard. There will likely be a quick revision with dual 8-pins and beefier VRMs and VRM cooling. Kind of important for the target market.
Regardless, consumers and board manufacturers are gonna get shafted. Kinda is on the board manufacturers, unless Intel gave them a base power delivery design to work from that was far underpowered.

The 'out there' possibility:
Along with Intel's statement about K-SKU overheating, perhaps Intel is trying to build-in obsolescence and pre-mature failure.

After all, Cannon Lake and Cannon Lake-E/X are around the corner. If X299 systems last one generation, most people that can afford this platform would just replace it upon early failure. Better yet, legally Intel and board manufacturers would be fine in event of fire, since Intel's aforementioned public disclosure on overclocking.

I can imagine it now: "DO NOT LEAVE X299 PLATFORM SYSTEMS UNATTENDED DURING OPERATION OUTSIDE OF MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS"
 
#12 ·
DesertRat: the delivery is probably fine and speced OK for stock even OC, but no one gave them specs for cooling the VRMs and in general the Asian manufacturers have no idea how to make cooling solutions for mobos, GPUs, you name it. On mobos they can usually get away with the crappy cosmetic cooling but not anymore on these high power platforms. If you swap the cooling for something better then it should be fine, but on a 300EUR+ mobos? Only uninformed nut case will pay that for such boards.
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by DesertRat View Post

OOOPS!

Did Intel slip up in rushing X299 to meet Ryzen and ThreadRipper?

I feel sorry for the early adopters, think GBA-GBA SP, except this is a fire hazard. There will likely be a quick revision with dual 8-pins and beefier VRMs and VRM cooling. Kind of important for the target market.
Regardless, consumers and board manufacturers are gonna get shafted. Kinda is on the board manufacturers, unless Intel gave them a base power delivery design to work from that was far underpowered.

The 'out there' possibility:
Along with Intel's statement about K-SKU overheating, perhaps Intel is trying to build-in obsolescence and pre-mature failure.

After all, Cannon Lake and Cannon Lake-E/X are around the corner. If X299 systems last one generation, most people that can afford this platform would just replace it upon early failure. Better yet, legally Intel and board manufacturers would be fine in event of fire, since Intel's aforementioned public disclosure on overclocking.

I can imagine it now: "DO NOT LEAVE X299 PLATFORM SYSTEMS UNATTENDED DURING OPERATION OUTSIDE OF MANUFACTURER'S SPECIFICATIONS"
Hey, at least they're VR and megatasking ready!

Sorry, I'm just cranky because I thought I had decided on a 7820X.
 
#14 ·
At least, the x299 mobos with these vrms are properly supporting kabylake-x and now the 7740x looks like a solid choice over the higher end models.
 
#17 ·
Nice thing the one about the possibility of the psu catching fire
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#22 ·
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Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Is this relevant to mainstream users?
Mainstream users might not overclock, but they are also the most likely to have really poor airflow and dust buildup, so not having at least adequate cooling on the VRMs for such a power hungry platform seems like a recipe for trouble, even for the mainstream.
 
#23 ·
Thanks for making this video der8auer.
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On a related note he did a German language one on the RFID chip on Skylake-X, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGK9g8Oyluo

It's apparently not working / deactivated. Why would they spend money leaving it there when they could have spent the money elsewhere, oh I don't know, there's this new material called solder... It looks like a rushed Xeon port job more and more.
 
#26 ·
Wow, now to see which mobo manufacturer steps up and fixes both power supply issues and uses active cooling on their vrms to grab all the enthusiast market cash.
 
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