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Does your CPUs ship from North America? Really want to buy one. But besides the shipping cost, I'm really afraid that the CPU will stop on the "customs authorities" on Portugal. And since it's a 400$ product I'm really afraid of having to pay like 100$ or more in taxes

Yes, you'll have to pay customs duties when importing. Seeing as Portugal is part of the EU, I think you'll need to pay VAT which is around 20%.
post #42 of 49
Importing the CPU from the US would mean 6% import duties over the price + shipping price. Over the resulting ammount you will have to pay 21% extra VAT. So the product will be easy 30% more expensive.

If you buy as a company with proper VAT number and handle it as a company import and declare it as such, you don't have to pay the VAT.
Maybe one of your friends have a registered company that can declare it as a import?
post #43 of 49

I actually bought the largest tube of Conductonaut to delid myself in the future... :(

 

The downside for us is that the cost of delidding is factored into the purchase whether we like it or not. The difference between now and 2 years ago is that delidding kits are now the norm. In the days where most people had to use a razor blade things were riskier. On the other hand for the purposes of binning there is more than one reason why including delidding could make sense from the seller's perspective.

 

It's a little vague what stress test is actually being used now from reading the site on a page like this (https://siliconlottery.com/collections/frontpage/products/7700k52g).

 

So compared to the past that 5.2ghz binned chip is like 5.15? 5.25? of the old times?

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I actually bought the largest tube of Conductonaut to delid myself in the future... frown.gif

The downside for us is that the cost of delidding is factored into the purchase whether we like it or not. The difference between now and 2 years ago is that delidding kits are now the norm. In the days where most people had to use a razor blade things were riskier. On the other hand for the purposes of binning there is more than one reason why including delidding could make sense from the seller's perspective.

It's a little vague what stress test is actually being used now from reading the site on a page like this (https://siliconlottery.com/collections/frontpage/products/7700k52g).

So compared to the past that 5.2ghz binned chip is like 5.15? 5.25? of the old times?

Even with the presence of delid tools during Kaby Lake, the vast majority of processors sold were delidded. Since delidding helps some chips a lot, and others not so much, it helps us nail down some more exact results by testing after delidding.

For another perspective from our side, I've had three customers return broken 7700Ks this year from failed delid attempts. One was a razor scratch, one was a complete demolish from a vice, and one person put the CPU in the wrong orientation in the rocket delid tool and tore off bottom components. I have to then fight disputes with customers wanting refunds when clearly they violated our warranty terms.

We are using a wide variety of stress tests (including P95, LinX, and the likes) along with leaving in some headroom. Processors should successfully run any software used. A 5.2GHz chip now is somewhat comparable to a 5.15-5.225GHz chip of the past. It's not exactly a 1:1 comparison scenario, since across many stress tests processors bin differently than just an hour of Realbench. (One processor might be really good at Realbench, but bad at P95 for example.)
post #45 of 49
Question for u guys, what sized ram kits do you guys test w/ your overclocks while binning? Super stoked to see what u have available tomorrow, since highest clock for minimum voltage will be key for me given I wanna slam a lot of ram in there lol.
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@Silicon Lottery -

Great news! always in the background reading your updates/ articles. Very glad for you guys.

Keep on keepin' on!
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For another perspective from our side, I've had three customers return broken 7700Ks this year from failed delid attempts. One was a razor scratch, one was a complete demolish from a vice, and one person put the CPU in the wrong orientation in the rocket delid tool and tore off bottom components. I have to then fight disputes with customers wanting refunds when clearly they violated our warranty terms.

I thought buying any CPU from you guys would guarantee the application of a 'liquid-metal' onto the cpu/IHS ?

Why would anyone want to destroy your own good work here then try and claim a Paypal refund?

Truly bizarre, since I would come here to buy a specific CPU that is guaranteed it's speed, verses buying something from the shops and getting 'pot-luck'.
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I thought buying any CPU from you guys would guarantee the application of a 'liquid-metal' onto the cpu/IHS ?

Why would anyone want to destroy your own good work here then try and claim a Paypal refund?

Truly bizarre, since I would come here to buy a specific CPU that is guaranteed it's speed, verses buying something from the shops and getting 'pot-luck'.

Delidding used to be an optional service, but now it is included with all processors that benefit from it.
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