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No problem.

I actually have a few questions that I forgot to ask.
My main reason obviously is to have the movies and tv shows as backups on the NAS, so what will change after I have modified the files for the metadata?
I will still be able to watch em on my pc I guess?
I dont need to make a double copy of the media I want to run on plex do I? Does this add a another file or folder inside any movie or tv shows folder?

if that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Lord Xeb View Post

No problem.

I actually have a few questions that I forgot to ask.
My main reason obviously is to have the movies and tv shows as backups on the NAS, so what will change after I have modified the files for the metadata?
I will still be able to watch em on my pc I guess?
I dont need to make a double copy of the media I want to run on plex do I? Does this add a another file or folder inside any movie or tv shows folder?

if that makes sense.

My main reason obviously is to have the movies and tv shows as backups on the NAS, so what will change after I have modified the files for the metadata?

Plex has a database it creates to keep track of all your movies, TV shows, etc. It will not physically modify the file but instead keep this information in the database. When grabbing the metadata it pulls it mainly from IMDB. Sometimes it is inaccurate so you may have to fix some of it in plex itself.

I will still be able to watch em on my pc I guess?
Of course! That is what I do even with all of our Apple TVs! Actually, better yet, i also watch stuff from plex with my PS4. Works great!

I dont need to make a double copy of the media I want to run on plex do I? Does this add a another file or folder inside any movie or tv shows folder?
Plex is a lot smarter than you think. You point plex at a directory (on our Synology it is called Plex). Then separate out each type by other folders for movies and TV Shows (makes adding and removing items easier). Plex will then scan this directory and ONLY this directory. It will not make a copy, move or anything unless you tell it to do so. It will look at what you have, check for metadata, update the metadata to its database (not the files) with some errors but mostly pretty good. Every now and then we get a movie or a TV show that shows up with incorreect information. Just gotta manually update it in the plex interface. No biggy.

For further information, please refer to the setup guide for plex:
https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/200264746-Quick-Start-Step-by-Step-Guides


No offense, but google is your best friend. smile.gif


Our plex at home is approx 40TB with about 6TB free. So far so good. biggrin.gif
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My main reason obviously is to have the movies and tv shows as backups on the NAS, so what will change after I have modified the files for the metadata?

Plex has a database it creates to keep track of all your movies, TV shows, etc. It will not physically modify the file but instead keep this information in the database. When grabbing the metadata it pulls it mainly from IMDB. Sometimes it is inaccurate so you may have to fix some of it in plex itself.

I will still be able to watch em on my pc I guess?
Of course! That is what I do even with all of our Apple TVs! Actually, better yet, i also watch stuff from plex with my PS4. Works great!

I dont need to make a double copy of the media I want to run on plex do I? Does this add a another file or folder inside any movie or tv shows folder?
Plex is a lot smarter than you think. You point plex at a directory (on our Synology it is called Plex). Then separate out each type by other folders for movies and TV Shows (makes adding and removing items easier). Plex will then scan this directory and ONLY this directory. It will not make a copy, move or anything unless you tell it to do so. It will look at what you have, check for metadata, update the metadata to its database (not the files) with some errors but mostly pretty good. Every now and then we get a movie or a TV show that shows up with incorreect information. Just gotta manually update it in the plex interface. No biggy.


Our plex at home is approx 40TB with about 6TB free. So far so good. biggrin.gif

gotcha,thanks for that.
I might try out Kodi aswell to see how it differs from plex in GUI.
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No problem.

sorry for quoting you 2 times,but the 1817+ has iSCSI so I can add the NAS a drive in network locations right so I can get it file explorer/This PC?
Also, if I want to use plex media server wireless on my tv from my NAS how do I stream media to my tv?
Edited by zlpw0ker - 7/7/17 at 10:25am
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You dont need to use iSCSI to connect to the NAS over the network.


First off, if you ever need to access the DSM and manage the RAID you can just go to find.synology.com and it will find your synology on your network (make sure you set it with a static IP and reserve said IP on your router).

Secondly, you setup the NAS in DSM to support SMP or CIFS so you can access the files from Windows. On Synology's website they have wonderful wiki that will go into full detail how to do this. VERY easy to do. By I easy I mean like less than 2 minutes.


Our NAS is setup to use NFS (Network File Share) for our Macs and Linux systems in the home. Then we have CIFS setup to allow access via Windows. Works flawlessly.

https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/File_Sharing


Explore their website and familarize yourself with the technology and product. This way you can plan out what you are going to do when you get it. Any time you are going to do something like setting up a NAS, redoing your home network, etc. I recommend actually planning it out.


Though if you are adverse to spending so much money you could always go FreeNAS, but that is more difficult to deal with. biggrin.gif
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You dont need to use iSCSI to connect to the NAS over the network.


First off, if you ever need to access the DSM and manage the RAID you can just go to find.synology.com and it will find your synology on your network (make sure you set it with a static IP and reserve said IP on your router).

Secondly, you setup the NAS in DSM to support SMP or CIFS so you can access the files from Windows. On Synology's website they have wonderful wiki that will go into full detail how to do this. VERY easy to do. By I easy I mean like less than 2 minutes.


Our NAS is setup to use NFS (Network File Share) for our Macs and Linux systems in the home. Then we have CIFS setup to allow access via Windows. Works flawlessly.

https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/File_Sharing


Explore their website and familarize yourself with the technology and product. This way you can plan out what you are going to do when you get it. Any time you are going to do something like setting up a NAS, redoing your home network, etc. I recommend actually planning it out.


Though if you are adverse to spending so much money you could always go FreeNAS, but that is more difficult to deal with. biggrin.gif

thanks for the tips, I prolly will use NFS with plex and or perhaps with Kodi if I can make it work.
I need to read more about CIFS,but it sounds like its about adding the network drive in windows.
I have thought about building a NAS just because it gets expensive,but I dont want the costum NAS to take that much space, and I like the hot swappable from pre built NAS'es and the fact I have no experience in Linux at all,tho I could go Xpenology. But I lose LEDS/lights and the hot swap.
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CIFS (or known as SMB) is required to have access to files via a file share from the NAS. Windows cannot read a NFS file share. That is why we have both enabled. If you log into plex from a system then it doesn't matter. But if you want to upload stuff from a windows machine you need to have as a shared directory.


BTW, you could easily get away with using a trucked connection with the NAS. You dont need to use the 10GbE connection if you take the 4 ethernet lines on it and truck them. Then on a managed switch do the same. This way you have a 4Gb connection dirrectly to the server. Trust me, a 400MB/s connection is nothing to scoff at.
 
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CIFS (or known as SMB) is required to have access to files via a file share from the NAS. Windows cannot read a NFS file share. That is why we have both enabled. If you log into plex from a system then it doesn't matter. But if you want to upload stuff from a windows machine you need to have as a shared directory.


BTW, you could easily get away with using a trucked connection with the NAS. You dont need to use the 10GbE connection if you take the 4 ethernet lines on it and truck them. Then on a managed switch do the same. This way you have a 4Gb connection dirrectly to the server. Trust me, a 400MB/s connection is nothing to scoff at.

But will the shared directory appear as a network drive?
My NAS buffalo quadstation comes up as a network drive

I know that with 4 LAN ports with link aggregation is more than enough, but I want to be able to add a 10gbe NIC card that are rj45 based and not SFP/+ because sfp is expensive and I belive that 10gbe SFP port on router is gonna be alot of money.
But ye,the 400MB R/W is enough for me, I still need to buy a managed switch that supports link agregation right?
But I would like the option for a 10gbe as I mentioned, I dont have the money to put in a 10gbe card now because thats gonna like 300-400dollars extra and I dont see any point with that because I dont really have a proper 1gbe network yet.
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I think you are going to need to do a bit of research before diving into this. Check Synology's knowledge base, look on youtube, etc. The information is all there. Not trying to come across as being a butt here but what you are asking is out there. thumb.gif

To me you are almost wasting money with what you are planning. Alone, the NAS is going to cost you 1500+ depending on what you get. Not to mention future networking upgrades, etc.


Yes. it will come up as a network drive.

You wont get 10GbE speeds unless you have Cat 6 and are using a 10GbE switch and running 10GbE network cards. Just getting that alone is going to net you a pretty sum. 800 for the switch 100-300 for the card. If you dont have cat 6 already in your home then you have that to add.


Don't worry about 10Gb right now. For what you do a GigE network will be plenty. Trucking with a managed switch and creating a VLAN for your NAS is going to be your best bet honestly. Unless you are moving massive files all day every day 10Gb doesn't make sense.
 
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I think you are going to need to do a bit of research before diving into this. Check Synology's knowledge base, look on youtube, etc. The information is all there. Not trying to come across as being a butt here but what you are asking is out there. thumb.gif

To me you are almost wasting money with what you are planning. Alone, the NAS is going to cost you 1500+ depending on what you get. Not to mention future networking upgrades, etc.


Yes. it will come up as a network drive.

You wont get 10GbE speeds unless you have Cat 6 and are using a 10GbE switch and running 10GbE network cards. Just getting that alone is going to net you a pretty sum. 800 for the switch 100-300 for the card. If you dont have cat 6 already in your home then you have that to add.


Don't worry about 10Gb right now. For what you do a GigE network will be plenty. Trucking with a managed switch and creating a VLAN for your NAS is going to be your best bet honestly. Unless you are moving massive files all day every day 10Gb doesn't make sense.

I'm not sure yet if I will invest in a plex encoding in the nas yet,I have plans on testing out Plex internally on my pc to my TV, so I havent really decided yet what to do. I have watched the TVS-873 which is really powerful.
if I can run plex from my pc while doing running the programs I might aswell ignore the encoding part from the NAS just buy a normal 8bay NAS with 4x 1gbe link agregation and the possibility for 10gbe nic option later.
I just want to test out my different scenarios if im only going for a NAS with 4x trunking and 10gbe card later as a 8bay unit or of I'm going for a NAS with encoding 1080p from plex,4x trunking+ 10gbe card or perhaps a ssd cache or m.2 cache,but that will be alot more expensive.



regarding networking upgrades, I do have plans on having my next NAS for like 5-7years and in that timeframe I want to be able to upgrade to a 10gbe switch that is rj45 based and probably not SFP 10gbe. I just want the option to upgrade to 10gbe in future.and a 10gbe card in my main pc and I know its gonna be expensive.
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