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The information that you’re providing is wrong. That’s the point. You words, verbatim - “If you're intending to run SLI, a pair of founder's edition / blower-style cards may be a much better option than these.. ”. They aren’t aren’t and it isn’t.

Why do my cards run hot? It’s simple, because not matter how you spin it, between the two GPU’s and the CPU, there’s close to 1000 watts worth of heat is moving around my case. No matter what cooling you may have, that’s a tall order. Besides that my office is always on the warm side of 25c+.

At what cost? you are paying so much for the extra cooling performance.....which you then proceed to choke with no slot spacing. Just because you got away with it from either sheer luck or some other variables doesn't mean it is easy or advisable for general public consumption. If you are running 85C, then the FE blowers are indeed better because you are getting similar performance for cheaper lol. Also, just because your core is 85C doesn't mean your support components are at comfortable temperatures.

I used to run Crossfire AMD 290s both with open air coolers which we can both agree are in the same league as the 1080ti. I can tell you it is possible to not run close to 85C but you gotta do some serious airflow engineering. I needed 1 slot spacing between my cards, a powerful side exhaust and a ducted intake. That kept both cards below 75C at low fan RPMs. If people are not able to invest their effort in to this, or are as lucky as you, they will have problems trying to SLI a pair of triple slot lightning 1080tis.
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At what cost? you are paying so much for the extra cooling performance.....which you then proceed to choke with no slot spacing. Just because you got away with it from either sheer luck or some other variables doesn't mean it is easy or advisable for general public consumption. If you are running 85C, then the FE blowers are indeed better because you are getting similar performance for cheaper lol. Also, just because your core is 85C doesn't mean your support components are at comfortable temperatures.

I used to run Crossfire AMD 290s both with open air coolers which we can both agree are in the same league as the 1080ti. I can tell you it is possible to not run close to 85C but you gotta do some serious airflow engineering. I needed 1 slot spacing between my cards, a powerful side exhaust and a ducted intake. That kept both cards below 75C at low fan RPMs. If people are not able to invest their effort in to this, or are as lucky as you, they will have problems trying to SLI a pair of triple slot lightning 1080tis.

It’s actually a moot argument at this point. Look on Newegg for a blower 1080ti. They seem to have gone extinct.
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At what cost? you are paying so much for the extra cooling performance.....which you then proceed to choke with no slot spacing. Just because you got away with it from either sheer luck or some other variables doesn't mean it is easy or advisable for general public consumption. If you are running 85C, then the FE blowers are indeed better because you are getting similar performance for cheaper lol. Also, just because your core is 85C doesn't mean your support components are at comfortable temperatures.

I used to run Crossfire AMD 290s both with open air coolers which we can both agree are in the same league as the 1080ti. I can tell you it is possible to not run close to 85C but you gotta do some serious airflow engineering. I needed 1 slot spacing between my cards, a powerful side exhaust and a ducted intake. That kept both cards below 75C at low fan RPMs. If people are not able to invest their effort in to this, or are as lucky as you, they will have problems trying to SLI a pair of triple slot lightning 1080tis.

For the same 85C the clock speed on the lighting will be higher. That said it's not a card I'd recommend if it's going to be over about 65-70C for extended periods of time - too much performance left on the table for a top shelf card.

Is there a full cover block for the these yet?
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For the same 85C the clock speed on the lighting will be higher. That said it's not a card I'd recommend if it's going to be over about 65-70C for extended periods of time - too much performance left on the table for a top shelf card.

Is there a full cover block for the these yet?

Right, at substantialy less noise as well.

There’s a Chinese block maker, bykski that put out a full cover block. Ek said they wouldn’t be making one. Not sure about others.
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Right, at substantialy less noise as well.

There’s a Chinese block maker, bykski that put out a full cover block. Ek said they wouldn’t be making one. Not sure about others.

Yeah the FE cards are noisy at full fan. Actually it seems like nearly every blower style card on the market uses the same delta or cooler master 65mm fan, with max RPM being the only difference, and that's just a BIOS thing. Noisy, but it keeps the heat off the motherboard in a cramped case.

I wish MSI offered a liquid cooled version of the lightning. I would have been really tempted by it but it seemed like a shame to buy an upgraded cooler that would end up sitting in a parts bin. I really like the Bykski blocks so now I'm glad I already bought my cards... It'd be a shame to have to wait for blocks from China smile.gif
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For those of you that wanted a Lightning Z card but missed out before they all sold out, don't worry, MSI has a new option coming for you. Since we already know there's nothing unique about the Lightning cards (for air cooled users anyway), just the cooler.. well MSI has potentially a new card coming with an even bigger cooler than the Lightning card came with.

https://videocardz.com/72764/msi-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-trio

I imagine this thing's likely going to sell out just as fast as the lightning cards did. So.. maybe plan to get one in october if you want one.

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I have the x version and I was playing around with the ln2 bios last night after noticing that my card was hitting the power cap on the default bios. Any one do a custom bios yet based on the ln2 bios version? If not I'll be making me one tonight. The ln2 is stock as far as default voltages etc. so it needs to be tweaked out voltage table wise.
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I have the x version and I was playing around with the ln2 bios last night after noticing that my card was hitting the power cap on the default bios. Any one do a custom bios yet based on the ln2 bios version? If not I'll be making me one tonight. The ln2 is stock as far as default voltages etc. so it needs to be tweaked out voltage table wise.

How are you going to sign the BIOS so you can flash it? Pascal isn't BIOS mod capable without an eeprom programmer.
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How are you going to sign the BIOS so you can flash it? Pascal isn't BIOS mod capable without an eeprom programmer.

You haven't seen threads where people are flashing other bios to there 1080 ti's have you? I'll post a link shortly for you. It's the same as it ever was.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1627212/how-to-flash-a-different-bios-on-your-1080-ti

I see what you're saying they just haven't cracked the bios code yet. Then why does MSI say that the ln2 bios is unlocked power wise when it's not? It's just a blank slate if you will that needs to have the voltage table tweaked because I hit the power limit on it via the voltage table faster then I did on the stock bios...
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You haven't seen threads where people are flashing other bios to there 1080 ti's have you? I'll post a link shortly for you. It's the same as it ever was.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1627212/how-to-flash-a-different-bios-on-your-1080-ti

I see what you're saying they just haven't cracked the bios code yet. Then why does MSI say that the ln2 bios is unlocked peer wide when it's not? It's just a blank slate if you will that needs to have the power table tweaked because I hit the power limit on it via the voltage table faster then I did on the stick bios...

Maybe MSI throttles the daylights out of the card in LN2 mode if it isn't sub ambient? I'm not sure as reviewers don't seem to be testing it all that much.
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