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€1000+ upgrade - socket 1511; 2066 or amd?

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#1 ·
Hey everyone,

Huge dilemma here. after nearly 9 years of rocking this GTX560Ti i finally feel its in need of replacement.
I have my eyes on a GTX1070 right now, thx to mining and inflation I might just go with a 1080 instead since its only about €150 more right now compared to a 1070.

Anyway, right now I game on 1080p, so this 1070 will be more then sufficient.

But i'm looking ahead aswell. I read a lot about bottlenecks on a 2500k (I have mine clocked @ 4.4 atm) even with OC.
While in 1080p this will probably non existing, I DO have plans to also ugprade to 1440p.

To ensure a better future proof option I feel no other choise but to ditch socket 1150 for good and move up to something new.

Now here's where my dilemma kicks in.

  1. 2066 is about to release any moment now (pre order available in my country), but the motherboards are expensive af...
  2. I hear a lot about some ryzen cpu? i take it this is amd. I've had terrible experience with my AMD tho so it'll have to be really convincing
  3. Then there seems to be some major form of praise for the 7700k, but this is socket 1511. will this still last for a long time?
Basicly my budget is arround 1K for this combo, i will buy a 1440p monitor aswell but not included within this budget. I want this to last AT LEAST 4 years, and i'm mostly going to use it for gaming

So yeah. i did some quick pricechecking and here are some of the options i have:
MSI X299 RAIDER (OR SLI PLUS) - €270
i5-7640X 4.0GHZ - €270
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1070 - €470
MSI X299 RAIDER (OR SLI PLUS) - €270
i7-7800X 4.0GHZ - €420
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1080 - €620
MSI X299 RAIDER (OR SLI PLUS) - €270
i7-7800X 4.0GHZ - €420
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1070 - €470
MSI X299 RAIDER (OR SLI PLUS) - €270
i7-7800X 4.0GHZ - €420
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1070 - €620
Any decent Z270 chipset mobo - €170
i5-7600K 3.8GHZ - €260
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1070 - €470
Any decent Z270 chipset mobo - €170
i5-7600K 3.8GHZ - €260
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1080 - €620
Any decent Z270 chipset mobo - €170
i7-7700K 4.2GHZ - €380
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1070 - €470
Any decent H270 chipset mobo - €170
i7-7700K 4.2GHZ - €380
16GB DDR4 Corsard vengeance - €150
GTX 1080 - €620

No AMD prices as i'm not sure what mobo is good and what cpu is good.
Feel free to suggest models. but please don't bother with amazon links because prices will be much different in EU

TL:DR : Looking for replacement for my 2500k. Do i go with socket 2066 or socket 1511. Do i go for i5 or i7? What about AMD? This will mainly be used for gaming on 1440p monitor
 
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#2 ·
Your current hardware is definitely dated and that GPU is well suited with an upgrade. If you're sticking with that 1080p @75Hz, I would consider just upgrading the GPU and try to squeeze some more performance out of the 2500K (4.8 should be very achievable). This leaves you with money to buy a 1440p monitor. The overall experience will be better than upgrading your platform (CPU, mobo, RAM) and keeping that same display.

Will it perform better with a CPU upgrade? Sure, but does the big cost outweigh that relatively small performance gain? It will work with the 2500K, but you might see some slight CPU bottlenecks here and there. As long as you're having enough performance to run your game smoothly, you don't need to necessarily spend more to get the best experience possible. Especially if it means waiting longer for that "good" 1440p experience. (But that's just my opinion)

Upgrading in the same socket (1155) doesn't seem like a very wise idea indeed. Performance gains will be very limited.

What's best for you depends on how much performance you want or need. If you need the absolute maximum gaming performance out of your CPU, get a 7700K (or wait for coffee lake) and overclock the crap out of it. It will blow anything else out of the water in games. This is, however, only important if you want to hit very high framerates or play games that really don't play well Ryzen.

The best "value" solution would be a Ryzen R5 1600 or a R7-1700 and overclock it to 3.8-4GHz. This would give you good performance in games without breaking the bank. It will be faster than your 2500K, even though it won't be on par with the 7700K. The 8 cores do give you more general purpose performance.

Stay away from socket 2066, especially if you're not taking an 8 or a 10 core. The platform is too plagued with problems to justify it's high price and compromises.

And very important: hardware ages, regardless of the platform. Yes, the Z270 is a "dead chipset" is the sense that it won't get support for any new CPUs. But that doesn't matter: by the time your 7700K has aged, the 8700K (or whatever its successor will be called) will also be very dated. Look at your 2500K now: does the 3570K offer a lot more value? Yea, I thought not.

Buy what you need now. The 7700K will last your at least 4 years, but so will the R7-1700.

I would recommend just buying your GPU for now and see how it runs. If it runs decently, buy a 1440p monitor and see how that runs. It'll likely run very well, without the need to upgrade your CPU/mobo/ram. Meaning you can easily wait for the next gen and enjoy a bigger upgrade for the same money. If you are getting a 1440p 144Hz monitor, you could look into upgrading your CPU - but you'd need a 1080 Ti to max that.

If it doesn't, you can always buy your CPU upgrade later. Don't waste money on the "what if"
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#3 ·
Hey man,

Thanks for responding so quick.
Reading through all of this i see the main pick regarding 1511 would be a 7700k and socket 2066 is a no go. (I have no plans to invest into 8 or 10 core cpu)

A few more questions:

- When is coffee lake expected to release? and what sockets will be supported for this?
- Also, how does the R7 1700 compare against the 7700k.
- What about the R7-1700X, is higher clock speed the only difference? (its €70 more compared to R7-1700)

I just checked and an R7 - 1700 is going for €350 right now. Meanwhile the 7700k is priced just €30 more.
Considering both motherboards go for about the same price I take it the 7700k would be the obvious pick here?

Maybe its better to just buy a GTX 1080 atm, and go from there. I will be getting a 1440p monitor really soon (read: end of august most likely)
This way when i reach my limits on this 2500k i can just swap to a new cpu/mobo and be done with it.
 
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- When is coffee lake expected to release? and what sockets will be supported for this?
I know it was supposed to land in August, but I also heard it got hit by a dalay. It could easily be 4 more months, possible more. I think it was supposed to launch on the same socket SkyLake and KabyLake use, but that it would require a new chipset.
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- Also, how does the R7 1700 compare against the 7700k.
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- What about the R7-1700X, is higher clock speed the only difference? (its €70 more compared to R7-1700)
Depends on the game. In some games, there's a bigger difference than in others. Well optimized games like Ashes of the Benchmark
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, it even beats the 7700K. In other terribly optimized titles like Fallout 4, the difference is huge. The 1700 needs an overclock to shine though. I wouldn't spend more money on the 1700X, but instead use it to buy a better cooler. It will net you more performance after overclocking.

Is the 7700K a better buy? I think it's a matter of taste. You get 8 more threads on the 1700, meaning a lot more power under the hood for everything that can utilize more cores. It runs cooler and quieter in general, because it's soldered - unlike the 7700K. That last one is a pain to cool, even though it uses less power on paper; thanks to the pigeon poo between the die and IHS.

If you're only going to be gaming, yes, the 7700K could be a better deal for you. But be sure to pair it with some very beefy cooling.
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Maybe its better to just buy a GTX 1080 atm, and go from there. I will be getting a 1440p monitor really soon (read: end of august most likely). This way when i reach my limits on this 2500k i can just swap to a new cpu/mobo and be done with it.
Yea. That's probably your best bet. If you can hold out a bit longer, there's a good chance you'll be able to pick up SLI 1070's for less - after the mining craze stops.

I'm planning on building a tiny LAN machine with a cheap second hand mining GPU after the craze dies out
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#5 ·
If you just game, the Intel is the better choice. It's only once you get into doing other things that the AMD Ryzen overtakes the Intel due to the extra cores for the money.

The Ryzen isn't far behind Intel on IPC, but it is still behind. Depends on what you play whether the extra cores of AMD beats the extra clocks and IPC of Intel. I run a Ryzen 5 1600, and it feels more snappy than my old Sandy Bridge 2600k, and the games I play keep up great framerates. Ryzen is good enough to give Intel a run for its money, those extra cores really come in handy if you stream or do other things while you game.
 
#7 ·
My G4560 + 1050ti runs everything i throw at it 60fps @ 1080p with some exceptions that have some CPU bottlenecking to about 45fps (assasins creed / GTA V)

That said, your 2500k should easily be able to push 1080p for at least a few more years, specially when overclocked.
If i were you, i'd throw in a new GPU, even budget will do for 1080p if you're satisfied with 60-75 fps. 1050ti / rx470 (once mining collapses
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