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In Wolfenstein, even Wolfenstein 3D and Return to Castle Wolfenstein (the 1981 original doesnt have a name for its protagonist) you play as William Blaskowitz as he attempts to dismantle secret Nazi projects or even the Nazi empire outright. The player assumes a role. They execute it. They have choice whilst doing it. What is the difference between these older games and the new Wolfenstein games? And what is the difference between the new Wolfenstein games where you buy or unlock upgrades ... and Witcher 3?

*not saying they are as much of an RPG BTW, Witcher 3 has more RPG elements but these games fit your definition.

Hell, STALKER is more of an RPG than Witcher 3.

No difference, Fallout is just like Halo with more RPG elements, too. thumb.gif

/s /s /s /s.
Edited by GorillaSceptre - 11/19/17 at 12:07pm
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Woahhhhh semantics up in here much? I don't think being able to change a character is the defining feature of an RPG lol. Forgive me if I am wrong, because I have never played D&D, but you are supposed to create a character and act within the capacity to which you think that character would act given a certain situation AFAIK. I would think D&D qualifies as the benchmark for RPG's. Who cares if someone else designed the character? You are placing yourself inside of them.

Regardless, what would you call the witcher games then? or Mass Effect games? Or Dragon Age?
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No difference, Fallout is just like Halo with more RPG elements, too. thumb.gif

So every game is an RPG?

WHich means RPG means nothing at all.
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Either that or a point and click adventure because the combat and other mechanics are simply horrendous.
It got better with the higher difficulties. Also is moddable.
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So every game is an RPG?

WHich means RPG means nothing at all.

I'll edit my post to make the sarcasm obvious.
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I'll just leave this here:

"Role-playing video games draw their gameplay from traditional [not always] role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons. Most of these games cast the player in the role of one or more "adventurers" who specialize in specific skill sets (such as melee combat or casting magic spells) while progressing through a predetermined storyline."

-Wikipedia
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I'll edit my post to make the sarcasm obvious.

STALKER has more RPG elements than Witcher 3. Even without mods.

Throw in Call of Chernobyl... is that an RPG?
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According to both the provided definitions, TW3 would qualify.

Comment sections have been littered with posts like yours insinuating/out-right saying TW3 is not a RPG, but it just is. If there's not a generic character creator, or not enough meaningless skill trees then there's plenty of other RPG's to choose from. thumb.gif

That's fine, I did say "little to no role-playing" after all. The point is, Cyberpunk 2077 needs to be a completely different kind of game. Not with role-playing as an afterthought, like The Witcher series (especially 2 and 3) which arguably aren't RPGs (and they arguably do not fit the definition I provided, which is the least common denominator as well as the distinguishing factor of pen and paper RPGs which invented RPGs). It has an actual RPG as its source material to live up to. As I said, most of this needs to be thoughtfully incorporated into its gameplay and narrative design or else it fails to meet CDPR's own hype for it.

And I would like to specify that role-playing in a video game is entirely objective.
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Woahhhhh semantics up in here much? I don't think being able to change a character is the defining feature of an RPG lol. Forgive me if I am wrong, because I have never played D&D, but you are supposed to create a character and act within the capacity to which you think that character would act given a certain situation AFAIK. I would think D&D qualifies as the benchmark for RPG's. Who cares if someone else designed the character? You are placing yourself inside of them.

Regardless, what would you call the witcher games then? or Mass Effect games? Or Dragon Age?

Creating a character from scratch actually isn't mandatory in an RPG, though if it was then that would be another requirement The Witcher fails to meet. Semantics, marketing is obviously important.

You are however supposed to be able to control/define the core physical and mental attributes of the character, with the goal being to allow players to play as who they want, to make their player character a distinct person, versus Geralt who is already a written character whom you can barely change.

Everyone who plays The Witcher 3 plays as the same character every time, but everyone who plays an RPG can play as a different person every time. That simple. Those BioWare games thus are RPGs, though the quality of them varies depending on the specific games in question.
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I'll just leave this here:

"Role-playing video games draw their gameplay from traditional [not always] role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons. Most of these games cast the player in the role of one or more "adventurers" who specialize in specific skill sets (such as melee combat or casting magic spells) while progressing through a predetermined storyline."

-Wikipedia

It's all in the name. The term RPG was invented by the PnP games, D&D most specifically, and (PnP) RPGs are an actual product. If a video game is to call itself one it actually has to be one. But yes, some video games have released that call themselves RPGs but don't actually provide role-playing, since nobody is there to regulate it.
 
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STALKER has more RPG elements than Witcher 3. Even without mods.

Throw in Call of Chernobyl... is that an RPG?

Should I be required to have a back and forth with you about every game out there? The onus should be on you guys to explain how it isn't an RPG, and how CDPR haven't already proved themselves (the original statement I responded to). I've already made my point of view clear.
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Should I be required to have a back and forth with you about every game out there? The onus should be on you guys to explain how it isn't an RPG, and how CDPR haven't already proved themselves (the original statement I responded to). I've already made my point of view clear.

As a matter of fact, CDPR has not proven themselves as an RPG developer, since The Witcher games only very loosely resemble RPGs at best, and lack many of the most important attributes of an RPG. If Cyberpunk 2077 lives up to CDPR's own hype train, then perhaps they will, but not before.

As I said just above, "Everyone who plays The Witcher 3 plays as the same character every time, but everyone who plays an RPG can play as a different person every time. That simple." That's the difference between an RPG and something that isn't an RPG.

Black Isle Studios proved themselves as an RPG developer. So did Troika games, so did Obsidian. They implemented most or all core elements of an RPG (the exception being multiplayer with a game master for a TRUE role-playing experience, Obsidian only did that once with Neverwinter Nights 2) and used all of them in gameplay and storytelling. The Witcher games however do not implement many RPG elements at all, they barely have anything from RPGs so they have not proven they can make a real RPG.
 
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