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Should I be required to have a back and forth with you about every game out there? The onus should be on you guys to explain how it isn't an RPG, and how CDPR haven't already proved themselves (the original statement I responded to). I've already made my point of view clear.

It has a written, pre-determined character from a book. That is both an older and a higher art form than gaming, and Geralt is exceptionally written by video game standards, even if his book version is several leagues above that.

And that is the problem. You can not role play much with Geralt. He is a real, completely developed (especially for book readers like me) character with a defined personality. The player can not make major changes and those that can be done in certain quests are usually few and far between (when major in effect) and stem from the exact same internal logic, every single time.

I know my Witcher man... better than anyone else here thumb.gif

But no, STALKER is a major example. One that too is erroneously called an RPG sometimes, even by some Ukrainians. It isnt an RPG, it is a proud FPS.
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With all due respect to the pair of you, you still have not said how it isn't an RPG.. As I already said, games have become so large that it would be extremely difficult to put any of them into a single box these days.

It meets the requirements for the current definitions of RPG, and if we all played the same game then I don't see how it isn't one.. If it is not hardcore enough, then say as much, and I would agree there are far more games that are more in line with the "spirit" of the genre. But plainly stating that it isn't an RPG is incorrect imo, it falls far closer to RPG than anywhere else. What else would you call it? 3rd person - action adventure - RPG - not as hardcore as others - not a Ukrainian RPG? Come on now..

My last post for tonight, I'm excited for Cyberpunk 2077, if the TW3 is not a true RPG then we need a new genre for it. Whatever it is, I enjoyed it immensely and hope they deliver on it being at least as good as TW3.
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With all due respect to the pair of you, you still have not said how it isn't an RPG.. As I already said, games have become so large that it would be extremely difficult to put any of them into a single box these days.

I have.

"Everyone who plays The Witcher 3 plays as the same character every time, but everyone who plays an RPG can play as a different person every time. That simple. That's the difference between an RPG and something that isn't an RPG."

Those are all facts as well. And I will specify that by "same character" I mean not only the same actual person with the same name, but with the same core predefined personality as well. Does that make it any less of a game or work of art? No, it just makes it not an RPG.
 
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With all due respect to the pair of you, you still have not said how it isn't an RPG.. As I already said, games have become so large that it would be extremely difficult to put any of them into a single box these days.

It meets the requirements for the current definitions of RPG, and if we all played the same game then I don't see how it isn't one.. If it is not hardcore enough, then say as much, and I would agree there are far more games that are more in line with the "spirit" of the genre. But plainly stating that it isn't an RPG is incorrect imo, it falls far closer to RPG than anywhere else. What else would you call it? 3rd person - action adventure - RPG - not as hardcore as others - not a Ukrainian RPG? Come on now..

If it isnt an RPG, then every game is an RPG, which means the word RPG is meaningless. This means ... that its irrelevant as a term.

I answered how it isnt an RPG
"And that is the problem. You can not role play much with Geralt. He is a real, completely developed (especially for book readers like me) character with a defined personality. The player can not make major changes and those that can be done in certain quests are usually few and far between (when major in effect) and stem from the exact same internal logic, every single time."

I dont use hardcore as some metric here and have 600 hours in the game. A game can be easy and an RPG or hardcore and not an RPG.

Third Person Action Adventure open world game with RPG elements seems good IMHO. Fits near perfectly from what I can tell. Of course defining literary genre is harder.

Ukrainian RPG? What? I said that Ukrainians mistake STALKER for an RPG, despite being a PCMR nation that made the game tongue.gif
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None of those things disqualify it from being an RPG.. It fits well within the definition. What genre would the two of you put it in then?

"Ukranian RPG" Was a joke Re. your previous post. Seriously my last post for tonight, have a good one gents. thumb.gif
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None of those things disqualify it from being an RPG.. It fits well within the definition. What genre would the two of you put it in then?

"Everyone who plays The Witcher 3 plays as the same character every time, but everyone who plays an RPG can play as a different person every time. That simple. That's the difference between an RPG and something that isn't an RPG."

The Witcher games = everyone always plays as the same person/character
Call of Duty games = everyone always plays as the same person/character
Super Mario games = everyone always plays as the same person/character
Role-Playing Games = everyone plays as a unique character

Of course since video games are coded unlike pen and paper RPGs, there are limits on how many character builds you can do (in Mass Effect trilogy it is essentially just two). But in an RPG you simply are not limited to playing as the same character, since that's the whole point of RPGs in the first place. You make your own character, The Witcher does not allow that.
 
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None of those things disqualify it from being an RPG.. It fits well within the definition. What genre would the two of you put it in then?

"Ukranian RPG" Was a joke Re. your previous post. Seriously my last post for tonight, have a good one gents. thumb.gif

Third Person Action Adventure open world game with RPG elements seems good IMHO. Fits near perfectly from what I can tell. Of course defining literary genre is harder.

I stated it already. As for literary genre.., I dont know. Heroic Fantasy is the over-genre (is this how it is in English?). I am unsure here, have to read up.
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I have.

"Everyone who plays The Witcher 3 plays as the same character every time, but everyone who plays an RPG can play as a different person every time. That simple. That's the difference between an RPG and something that isn't an RPG."

Those are all facts as well. And I will specify that by "same character" I mean not only the same actual person with the same name, but with the same core predefined personality as well. Does that make it any less of a game or work of art? No, it just makes it not an RPG.

Where is this quote from? I'm not even really trying to fight you on this, but that seems like an oddly specific defining feature of what an RPG is lol.
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Where is this quote from? I'm not even really trying to fight you on this, but that seems like an oddly specific defining feature of what an RPG is lol.

That was something I said in an earlier post. How is that oddly specific? That's what RPGs are built around; everyone making their own unique character, able to fully define his/her physical (e.g. STR, DEX, CON) and mental (e.g. INT, WIS, CHA) abilities, so everyone role-plays as their own unique character so that even one module (campaign) is never the same experience for anyone.
 
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"Everyone who plays The Witcher 3 plays as the same character every time, but everyone who plays an RPG can play as a different person every time. That simple. That's the difference between an RPG and something that isn't an RPG."

The Witcher games = everyone always plays as the same person/character
Call of Duty games = everyone always plays as the same person/character
Super Mario games = everyone always plays as the same person/character
Role-Playing Games = everyone plays as a unique character

Of course since video games are coded unlike pen and paper RPGs, there are limits on how many character builds you can do (in Mass Effect trilogy it is essentially just two). But in an RPG you simply are not limited to playing as the same character, since that's the whole point of RPGs in the first place. You make your own character, The Witcher does not allow that.

Nowadays RPG is a loose term. It is fair to call W3 a RPG because Geralt can be played with different builds, playstyles, and a bit of unique personalities.
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