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Where has this zen 2 using paste rumor came from? just curious. thanks
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It isnt a rumor lol, im just saying that is the sort of thing that would elevate ryzen to sandy like status. If ivy/haswell etc all were soldered, sandy wouldnt have had the aura of magnificence it does now.
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Now if coffee is soldered.....thats a different story. I havent heard a single thing about that tho, and given x299 uses paste its pretty unlikely.
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what? lol sandy wasn't great because it used solder. It was great because it kept up with the i7 2600k for years in gaming, had noticeably better IPC than Nehalem, and clocked upwards to 5ghz.
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the 1600 resembles that sort of scenario far better than 8600k does

Geez, you exceed yourself... The i7-7700K is already holding its own against the 1600 and you have to bring the 7800K to the table?

The 1600 has no resemblance whatsoever to what the i5 was. It does not overclock and it is weaker in IPC than the competition. How's that supposed to account for something? The only bragging rights the R5 could have is to have been the last nail in the current i5s. That's all. And it is no small feat. The market was trying to get rid of the i5 for years and no one could do what the R5 did -- force Intel to bury the quad cores for good. But don't push your luck on the subject tongue.gif
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We clearly see this in a different light, we can just agree to disagree at this point.
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The i5 7600k still lives, I can't think of a game where the processor can't maintain a minimum of 60 FPS.smile.gif
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I doubt AMD will use paste on a 12nm fin/fet chip tbh, besides it wouldn't surprise me if they launched Ryzen 1.5 just before Christmas with higher clock speeds out of the box and came with the ability to hit 5ghz out of the box....

when r2.0 hits in 2018 on the 12nmlp (as suggested by new leaks) i would expect the mto only relase the low binned stock with again poorer overclocking and do a semi refresh of the best chips as higher clock speeds in q4 2018 as well...

ryzen wont be the best of the bunch but if they can push out the chips fast enough at a reasonable price (like they did with the initial am4 release) then a lot of people will buy them, especially if the platform cost works out cheaper than intel's constant need to flog new mobo's every year
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Oh really lol.

~Uses solder, games just as well as the i7 version (ryzen 1700) should be a viable gaming CPU for ~5 years (as the 2500k was, til games started using hyperthreading).

8600k is nothing like that, we already know games use hyperthreading and has no chance of becoming the next 2500k. For years 2500k was toe to toe with 2600k, we dont even have that at LAUNCH with 8600k/8700k as you will see from the benches.
so the poor optimization there was in 2011 games made the 2500k a good cpu onyl becuase matches 2600k? then that doesnt make sense you cant expect games that have multithreading perform just as good on a 8600k with 6t rolleyes.gif
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How so? There was nothing at that time with such single threaded power, and the i5 was cheaper than the i7, and HT had problems in several games. The i5 was "the gamer CPU" back then. I have to see the day that either AMD or Intel releases a CPU that is 35% stronger in single thread than the competition. Even to Nehalem, everyone today with i5 and i7s would upgrade to a CPU 30% stronger than the last generation (with no added cores, mind you).

Now if you want to judge the i5-2500K by today's standards I have to step aside because then it is really besides the point / useless. It was a 2011 CPU thumb.gif

I agree. SB was the last great architectural release for Intel and everything since has been incremental at best. I think of SB as analogous to Conroe in terms of revolutionary releases. I guess an argument could be made for Nehalem as well, but SB's performance was just so off the charts at the time, especially when you also factored in its incredible OCing range (with 5+ GHz clock speeds possible on air which I don't remember anything really coming close to at the time). I type this post on my 4.6 GHz 2600K that's been beat to hell for over 6 years and is still perfectly acceptable in all performance metrics I care about even now.
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