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I get why people love the I7 for anything besides video games thru. What really affects right now is my 1080 ti is bottlenecked to all hell.
I find it more remarkable how much of an impact memory speed and - likely even more - latency has. If games have to dynamically load so many textures during gameplay then I wonder what good is all that graphic-card onboard memory (aside from AA modes)? Why don't games load all that big chunk of many small and large textures to the graphic-card in the beginning of a level and then be good with it?
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Wow 40 PCIE lanes on the 8700k mainstream platform? That’s really going to hurt x299 sales since that was 1 of the few major reasons why you would get that platform over z270. That’s enough for 2x16x GPUs and a 4x m.2

No it's not. It's the same setup as Kaby Lake: 16 CPU lanes and 24 chipset lanes. Intel is using some dubious wording.
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https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/229189

I wanted to post this to try and further my point to people. Ryzen 1600 is the 2nd best selling CPU on amazon and has been for almost as long as its been out. Do we really want to be purchasing 6c6t CPU's taking that into consideration? Are you not able to envision a scenario where dx12 becomes the mainstream API and cores are trumping clockspeed?

I think the gen after this one mainstream i7's are going to be 8c16t and i5's will be 6c12t.
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Based on this news story by Tech Report, the Cofffee Lake pricing will be as such:

Core i7-8700K 6c/12t 3.7/4.7 $359
Core i7-8700 6c/12t 3.2/4.6 $303
Core i5-8600K 6c/6t 3.6/4.3 $257
Core i5-8400 6c/6t 2.8/4.0 $182
Core i3-8350K 4c/4t 4.0/4.0 $168
Core i3-8100 4c/4t 3.6/3.6 $117


This is the current ARK pricing for their Kaby Lake predecessors:

Core i7-7700K 4c/8t 4.2/4.5 $339
Core i7-7700 4c/8t 3.6/4.2 $303
Core i5-7600K 4c/4t 3.8/4.2 $242
Core i5-7400 4c/4t 3.0/3.5 $182
Core i3-7350K 2c/4t 4.2/4.2 $168
Core i3-7100 2c/4t 3.9/3.9 $117


If you compare closely, the only models getting price increases from the 7th-gen to the 8th-gen are the i7 and i5 K-models ($20 and $15, respectively). This makes the i3 Coffee Lake models pretty interesting, as essentially they're nearly identical to the Kaby Lake i5 models in terms of clock speed and core/thread count but are priced as the old 2c/4t Kaby Lake i3 models were. That makes the i3-8100 a pretty hard counter on the Ryzen 3 line, given the latter's inferior IPC.
Edited by svenge - 9/25/17 at 3:35am
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Did anyone buy a 7700k from microcenter at launch? I dont recall them not offering combo deals or msrp discounts on anything other than ryzen (because of the board shortage) but i could be wrong on that.

You may have been high while shopping then... MicroCenter bundles the snot out of Intel CPU/MB combos all day everyday... even at launch.
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You may have been high while shopping then... MicroCenter bundles the snot out of Intel CPU/MB combos all day everyday... even at launch.

When ryzen 7 launched, there were not only no board/cpu bundles, but CPU's were at MSRP. I remember this clearly because that is the first time i bought a CPU/board from newegg since college lol. I think it took a month for the combo deals to show up.
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Based on this news story by Tech Report, the Cofffee Lake pricing will be as such:

Core i7-8700K 6c/12t 3.7/4.7 $359
Core i7-8700 6c/12t 3.2/4.6 $303
Core i5-8600K 6c/6t 3.6/4.3 $257
Core i5-8400 6c/6t 2.8/4.0 $182
Core i3-8350K 4c/4t 4.0/4.0 $168
Core i3-8100 4c/4t 3.6/3.6 $117


This is the current ARK pricing for their Kaby Lake predecessors:

Core i7-7700K 4c/8t 4.2/4.5 $339
Core i7-7700 4c/8t 3.6/4.2 $303
Core i5-7600K 4c/4t 3.8/4.2 $242
Core i5-7400 4c/4t 3.0/3.5 $182
Core i3-7350K 2c/4t 4.2/4.2 $168
Core i3-7100 2c/4t 3.9/3.9 $117


If you compare closely, the only models getting price increases from the 7th-gen to the 8th-gen are the i7 and i5 K-models ($20 and $15, respectively). This makes the i3 Coffee Lake models pretty interesting, as essentially they're nearly identical to the Kaby Lake i5 models in terms of clock speed and core/thread count but are priced as the old 2c/4t Kaby Lake i3 models were. That makes the i3-8100 a pretty hard counter on the Ryzen 3 line, given the latter's inferior IPC.

To that end, the 7350k would be a consideration. At 130 dollars it would be the better buy for someone who only needs a couple fast cores (mmo's etc).

Its not currently on sale at newegg but ive seen it for 130 there plenty lately.

Also at microcenter its 129.99+30 off a board:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/473230/Core_i3-7350K_Kaby_Lake_42GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor
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https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/229189

I wanted to post this to try and further my point to people. Ryzen 1600 is the 2nd best selling CPU on amazon and has been for almost as long as its been out. Do we really want to be purchasing 6c6t CPU's taking that into consideration? Are you not able to envision a scenario where dx12 becomes the mainstream API and cores are trumping clockspeed?

It could also be that the diehard AMD fans that had been holding onto their Phenom II rigs even through the dark days of Bulldozer/Piledriver finally found a AMD CPU that's actually worth a damn and responded accordingly.

Either way, buying the the near and mid-term future is usually a far wiser course of action than pie-in-the-sky dreams of a future AMD-driven software development paradigm. Remember HSA and how that was going to revolutionize everything? Yeah, me neither.

And until difficult questions regarding multi-core programming and real-time gaming (especially in terms of AI) are resolved, throwing "moar corez" ad infinitum without regard to IPC as you are advocating for is a fool's errand.
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Based on this news story by Tech Report, the Cofffee Lake pricing will be as such:

Core i7-8700K 6c/12t 3.7/4.7 $359
Core i7-8700 6c/12t 3.2/4.6 $303
Core i5-8600K 6c/6t 3.6/4.3 $257
Core i5-8400 6c/6t 2.8/4.0 $182
Core i3-8350K 4c/4t 4.0/4.0 $168
Core i3-8100 4c/4t 3.6/3.6 $117


This is the current ARK pricing for their Kaby Lake predecessors:

Core i7-7700K 4c/8t 4.2/4.5 $339
Core i7-7700 4c/8t 3.6/4.2 $303
Core i5-7600K 4c/4t 3.8/4.2 $242
Core i5-7400 4c/4t 3.0/3.5 $182
Core i3-7350K 2c/4t 4.2/4.2 $168
Core i3-7100 2c/4t 3.9/3.9 $117


What people need to remember is that these prices Intel gives are Intel's retail price per 1,000 units. Resale outlets pay wholesale pricing on much larger bulk orders, so we the consumer will likely see prices under those mentioned within a month of launch, as we have with many previous generations.
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It could also be that the diehard AMD fans that had been holding onto their Phenom II rigs even through the dark days of Bulldozer/Piledriver finally found a AMD CPU that's actually worth a damn and responded accordingly.

Either way, buying the the near and mid-term future is usually a far wiser course of action than pie-in-the-sky dreams of a future AMD-driven software development paradigm. Remember HSA and how that was going to revolutionize everything? Yeah, me neither.

I dont think you understand what im saying, might want to go back and reread my posts. This isnt an amd vs intel thing, this happened without ryzen as that video i linked with 2600k 2017 review shows, amd ryzen existing and in so many peoples hands is only going to bolster thread count going forward, not to mention if we ever get widespread adoption of dx12.
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