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You tell me homer, how are you going to set a locked CPU's frequency in the bios. The only option you have is BCLK and that is sketchy as it messes with all sorts of things like memory/bus speeds etc, MCE is the far better option.

Voltage i am unsure about, i dont know how that works on locked SKU's.

I dont know why people are so sketched out about MCE, is it really only because of that video and the problems steve had in one program? You guys do realize he also said blender has been acting weird lately and he had crashes on other machines right? He said prime was 100% stable with MCE, are you going to be doing something more stressful than prime 95 on a non k cpu lol?

Everywhere I'm reading people are still able to set their multiplier of their locked chip to at least the turbo frequencies multiplier making EMC redundant. If someone with a non-k chip on this forum can confirm that would be great.

Personally I'd like as much control as possible. Plenty of motherboards in the past have turbo and auto ocing features that would automatically pump too much voltage for my taste.
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You do you man, ill continue to be excited about overclocking on a non k sku that puts this thing close to a 1700x in multithreaded workloads. thumb.gif

Considering the 1700X is currently $300 or less and B350 boards can be had for as little as $70 for decent overclocking, congrats on paying an extra $75 to $150 for "close to 1700X in multithreaded workloads"...
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No, that would be overclocking and requires a K sku.

Its whatever my dude, dont use it if you are that worried about it. Ill personally be recommending people use it across the board.thumb.gif
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I REALLY wanted to pick up a 8700k since I am feeling the upgrade bug but I really don't see the use of it now over my 4790k for strictly gaming. Guess I will wait for another gen or two =/.
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Its whatever my dude, dont use it if you are that worried about it. Ill personally be recommending people use it across the board.thumb.gif


Please get a clue about what you are talking about befor suggesting it to anyone else anywhere.... The last thing the world needs is more misinformation peddled by uninformed "tech enthusiasts" who can,t even tell the difference between TDP and power consumption....
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Considering the 1700X is currently $300 or less and B350 boards can be had for as little as $70 for decent overclocking, congrats on paying an extra $75 to $150 for "close to 1700X in multithreaded workloads"...

If you really dont see the benefit of another 300mhz all core boost for gaming as well as multithreaded workloads i dont think we have anything else to say to each other. Clockspeed is at the heart of the intel vs amd discussion everyone is having today.....and all you want to do is complain about power consumption.

300mhz is absolutely massive, AMD would kill for that......hell its probably as much or more than zen 2 is gonna bring.

Ya im done for today lol.
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no stock no 8700 biggrin.gif
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If you really dont see the benefit of another 300mhz all core boost for gaming as well as multithreaded workloads i dont think we have anything else to say to each other. Clockspeed is at the heart of the intel vs amd discussion everyone is having today.....and all you want to do is complain about power consumption.

300mhz is absolutely massive, AMD would kill for that......hell its probably as much or more than zen 2 is gonna bring.

You seem to be hell bent on pushing this narrative of "free performance" and are using strawman arguments to maintain your stance. I have, on multiple occasions, suggested going with an unlocked chip if you wish to obtain frequencies beyond the Intel specifications (overclocking). MCE is not useful in any situation, it draw way too much power for the performance it deliver. Advocating usage of MCE with the reference cooler is just asking for trouble. You have, thus far, ignored everyone that has made statements against MCE including the reviewers you continue to reference.


For some, learning from their own mistakes is the only means of acquiring knowledge/understanding. Please feel free to test your claim. Go buy a 8400 or 8700 and enable MCE while using the stock cooler. Until then, please refrain from making any recommendations to others. Thank you.


Edit: Seems like MCE has no tangible effect on locked cores which makes this entire discussion moot:
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The Intel Core i5-8400 doesn't have the K suffix in its name, which indicates an unlocked multiplier. That means that you can't overclock it easily.

One option is to increase the BCLK, which can be raised to 102 MHz or 103 MHz from 100 MHz, but not more, for a 3% performance uplift, in theory.

The second option is to adjust the CPU boost settings, making it so that the highest boost state is enabled not just for single-threaded workloads, but all - no matter the core count.

When we tested the latter, we noticed that no matter what we did, the maximum frequency the CPU would run at was 3800 MHz, not 4000 MHz as you would expect by going with the maximum-rated boost frequency.


Whether this is a bug or a feature is unknown at this time.


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No, that would be overclocking and requires a K sku.

Its whatever my dude, dont use it if you are that worried about it. Ill personally be recommending people use it across the board.thumb.gif

a K chip lets you set the multiplier as low and as high as you want.

Otherwise there is still a multiplier range the non-k chips can be set on, hence how the turbo clocks happen.
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You seem to be hell bent on pushing this narrative of "free performance" and are using strawman arguments to maintain your stance. I have, on multiple occasions, suggested going with an unlocked chip if you wish to obtain frequencies beyond the Intel specifications (overclocking). MCE is not useful in any situation, it draw way too much power for the performance it deliver. Advocating usage of MCE with the reference cooler is just asking for trouble. You have, thus far, ignored everyone that has made statements against MCE including the reviewers you continue to reference.


For some, learning from their own mistakes is the only means of acquiring knowledge/understanding. Please feel free to test your claim. Go buy a 8400 or 8700 and enable MCE while using the stock cooler. Until then, please refrain from making any recommendations to others. Thank you.

Ya cause no one would ever want to save 70-90 dollars and have an all core boost frequency higher than a k model sku, nah.
No one would ever want a one button press experience to avoid the time/trail and error of overclocking, nah.

You simply are unable to envision these scenarios, and that makes you look quite silly if im honest. I know plenty of people that just want a set and forget experience, MCE is exactly that option for them. The only chip that even has a question whether or not its stock cooler is sufficient is the 8700, and that is only in a situation such as a stress test, gaming load its going to be absolutely fine. 8400 you could run prime 95 all day long with MCE enabled and its not going to throttle ever.

I think MCE is great and it offers options for people not wanting to manually overclock their chips, cool thing is people can make up their own minds thumb.gif
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