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but i know that at least 2 people had asked about my monitor
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Don't forget the Gaming 7 as well. Matches the Hero and can often be found at a significantly better price. Some of the best VRM on the market, and one of the best overclocking motherboards out there.

...and a horrendous bios and software to go with it. Haven't tried the latest one though. I have this board and would never recommend it to anyone.
What problems are you having with the Gigabyte motherboard?
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See above. The victory takes place in single threaded applications and some multi threaded applications.

Which is the overwhelming majority of the software that exists today.

I'll bet money that outside of benchmarks, you can't name 50 different software programs that are used by millions that run better on Ryzen. And that's out of the tens of thousands of different software programs on the market.
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It's not a sweeping victory and that's an important distinction.

It's a sweeping victory and you're in denial if you think otherwise. It's not an absolute, 100% total victory in every form of software on the market, but it's a 99.999% victory, and you can't name enough software where Ryzen dominates to prove otherwise.
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Those who can take advantage of Ryzen should do so - it costs less and helps bolster competition.

RYZEN DOES NOT COST LESS.

Get that silly nonsense out of your head. A 1700X is only $20 cheaper than an 8700k as far as the processor goes. The motherboard and RAM are for all intents and purposes equal in cost.

BUT.......

To get the most out of Ryzen you need very high speed RAM. You can get GSkill DDR4 2666 speed RAM for the 8700k for just $178, but if you want to make Ryzen shine you'll need a MINIMUM of 3200 speed Samsung B-die RAM which is going to run you $200 or more. Want to really push that speed then going for 3866 or faster RAM can get cost over $250, about $70 more in RAM than the 8700K will cost you.

So much for that $20 in savings. In fact you now could afford to put a 140mm AIO on that 8700K and do some overclocking while still staying under the cost of Ryzen.


And speaking of overclocking, the 8700K is a beast. Check some of the threads here. 5.1GHZ is not at all unusual, and some people are hitting 5.3GHZ without needing any exotic cooling. My 8700K is humming along at a nice 5.1GHZ with just 1.31V and only hitting 65C under full load during stress testing using a $90 AIO for cooling.


And since you like those Anand benchmarks so much, what's the score of the $450 1800X Ryzen CPU here:




Compared to my (overpriced) $380 8700K here:


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Based on prices this holiday season the 1700x is out to kill the 8600K.

For gaming though, the 8600k decimates any Ryzen 99% of the time.
 
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To be fair some games just love intel for whatever reason. Ive seen games where ivy bridge is beating a 1800x, talking like a 3570 not even an OC'able chip. Ryzen needs time is all, in time its going to be trumping 5.0ghz 7700k's.
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To be fair some games just love intel for whatever reason. Ive seen games where ivy bridge is beating a 1800x, talking like a 3570 not even an OC'able chip. Ryzen needs time is all, in time its going to be trumping 5.0ghz 7700k's.

The main issues are that most games are too stupid to work well with CCX, and issues with NVIDIA cards and Ryzen. In games like Crysis 3, Ryzen 7 trumps a 5 GHz 7700k, but in the games where the 7700k trumps any Ryzen that will never change (which is 99% of games from the dawn of time to 2017).

Once Zen gets infinity fabric running 1:1 with RAM speed along with 4000 MHz RAM, it'll do much better in those games that hate CCX thanks to brute force. Also, if NVIDIA cleans up their act and/or if you use AMD GPUs then the penalties will continue to shrink as Zen advances yeah.
 
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Oh for sure, im talking new titles that can actually take advantage of more>8 threads. Only reason im going back to intel is ill be playing WoW for the forseeable future that they announced classic servers lol.
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Oh for sure, im talking new titles that can actually take advantage of more>8 threads. Only reason im going back to intel is ill be playing WoW for the forseeable future that they announced classic servers lol.

Same here essentially, not WoW specifically but older games since unfortunately that's where the quality is in most genres. For now I am stuck with Intel. I am dependent on NVIDIA getting their crap together and general Zen advancements which AMD already has planned (infinity fabric speeds, RAM speeds, core speeds).
 
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Oh for sure, im talking new titles that can actually take advantage of more>8 threads. Only reason im going back to intel is ill be playing WoW for the forseeable future that they announced classic servers lol.

Ummm, yeah. And when frogs learn to fly they'll quit bumping their butts when they jump.

How many years did it take between the time the Core 2 Duo was released and the time games actually made use of 2 cores? How many years did it take between the time Core 2 Quad was released and the time games actually made use of 4 cores?

Fact is, Core 2 Quad was released in 2008, and games didn't really start making use of 4 cores until just 2 years ago. Roughly 6 years.

6+ core CPUs weren't released to the mainstream until this year, you're not going to see a large amount of consumer-level software take full advantage of more than 4 cores for the next 4-6 years. Until then you're going to see Intel continue to dominate the market, and by then you'll be dealing with a FAR improved Intel architecture that will absolutely destroy any AMD chip made today. The CPUs released today can be seen as one of two things. You can either view them as the best chip for the software out right now, or stop-gaps to fill the space while the market waits for software to catch up to the hardware. Either way, no chip on the market today will be fully utilized until every chip on the market today is obsolete. So you can eithe buy the CPU that best supports current and near future software, or you can buy into the idea that your CPU will one day be the ideal architecture, but with the understanding that by the time it is the CPU you buy today will also be obsolete.

Software developers aren't going to invest large amounts of money supporting a new architecture until that architecture is adopted by a large enough portion of the market to justify the expense. Fact is it's going to take YEARS before 6+ core CPUs make up enough of the market to justify the expense of supporting them for most software developers. Until then, you're better off with the most widely supported CPU architecture, which is Intel's single-core architecture with 4-6 cores for multicore support.
Edited by moustang - 11/18/17 at 12:00am
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Eh there are already games that play better on 6c chips, what are you on about? I can easily see ryzen 7 being an overall better gaming CPU to the 7700k in 3 years time, despite its clockspeed deficiencies. In some games core count matters so much that ive seen fx chips surpassing overclocked sandy bridge i5's, something i would never have predicted in 2011......yet it happened.
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To get the most out of Ryzen you need very high speed RAM. You can get GSkill DDR4 2666 speed RAM for the 8700k for just $178, but if you want to make Ryzen shine you'll need a MINIMUM of 3200 speed Samsung B-die RAM which is going to run you $200 or more.

To be fair, you don't NEED 3200+ speed RAM. Running higher speed RAM is not MANDATORY with Ryzen. Besides, anything higher than 3200 speed the gains are minimal at best, and certainly not enough to warrant the higher price tag. Don't get me wrong, various reviews have pointed out that Ryzen does show FPS gains in some games, but not all and I think that's another thing to consider. Just because you pop in 3200 Samsung B-die RAM doesn't automatically mean you're going to see gains across the entirety of your game library. The gains are subjective. So while the 3200+ speed RAM is nice to have for Ryzen, it is not required.
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