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To be fair some games just love intel for whatever reason. Ive seen games where ivy bridge is beating a 1800x, talking like a 3570 not even an OC'able chip. Ryzen needs time is all, in time its going to be trumping 5.0ghz 7700k's.

Yeah, like a year after Ice Lake is on the market.

Ryzen may do this in the future, Ryzen may do that in the future, but not any Ryzen you can buy now and not any Ryzen you can say for certain is coming out in the near future. Maybe Ryzen will eventually hit 5GHZ, and maybe by the time they do Intel will have a 6-7GHZ 8 core i7 for under $400 out that absolutely destroys it.
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Yeah, like a year after Ice Lake is on the market.

Ryzen may do this in the future, Ryzen may do that in the future, but not any Ryzen you can buy now and not any Ryzen you can say for certain is coming out in the near future. Maybe Ryzen will eventually hit 5GHZ, and maybe by the time they do Intel will have a 6-7GHZ 8 core i7 for under $400 out that absolutely destroys it.

That isnt how technology works...
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My original question was what games benefit with 6 cores compared to i7 7700K, get it strait.rolleyes.gif

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Yeah, like a year after Ice Lake is on the market.

Ryzen may do this in the future, Ryzen may do that in the future, but not any Ryzen you can buy now and not any Ryzen you can say for certain is coming out in the near future. Maybe Ryzen will eventually hit 5GHZ, and maybe by the time they do Intel will have a 6-7GHZ 8 core i7 for under $400 out that absolutely destroys it.

That isnt how technology works...
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My original question was what games benefit with 6 cores compared to i7 7700K, get it strait.rolleyes.gif

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Witcher 3 Novigrad
Crysis 3
Are there anymore games than the three of them?
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My original question was what games benefit with 6 cores compared to i7 7700K, get it strait.rolleyes.gif

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Are there anymore games than the three of them?

Yes.
Unity, GTA V (in the city and depending on what is happening on screen), Ashes of the singularity, the new Tomb Raider game, Metro Redux if you use an AMD card + PhysX, etc. There are many more but these I know for sure, like 6c over 4c.
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Battlefield is another example.

A 7700K @5 ghz bottlenecked my 1080Ti. My 7800X and 7820X is fine without any issues.
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Yeah, like a year after Ice Lake is on the market.

Ryzen may do this in the future, Ryzen may do that in the future, but not any Ryzen you can buy now and not any Ryzen you can say for certain is coming out in the near future. Maybe Ryzen will eventually hit 5GHZ, and maybe by the time they do Intel will have a 6-7GHZ 8 core i7 for under $400 out that absolutely destroys it.

Unless Intel can break the laws of physics, they aren't going to release any 6 or 7ghz parts that hit that mark without destroying power efficiency or requiring phase change (or both).

Ice lake with 2 additional cores on a smaller node is going to be harder to clock as high as coffee lake. Density is higher, which drives up temperatures, and smaller nodes handle less voltage due to electromigration.

Power consumption also increases with frequency, so relying on sky high clock speeds is not a good strategy for an architecture. Bulldozer/piledriver and netburst are excellent examples of where this has failed.

In short - don't expect 6ghz CPUs anytime soon.
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Ice lake with 2 additional cores on a smaller node is going to be harder to clock as high as coffee lake. Density is higher, which drives up temperatures,
That's what I was saying for 2 years already. We kinda lucked out when Intel managed to make 14 nm node better than 22 nm. Still, temperatures per area are bad.

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Power consumption also increases with frequency, so relying on sky high clock speeds is not a good strategy for an architecture. Bulldozer/piledriver and netburst are excellent examples of where this has failed.

In short - don't expect 6ghz CPUs anytime soon.

Power consumption = A + frequency*B*k^voltage
A little increase from 4 GHz to 6 will not hurt that much, but the voltage increase required to reach 6 GHz even on highly agile node would hurt A LOT.

Isn't electromigration more of a function of temperature than voltage?
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Pushed the memory this Asrock board is not that bad after all...
Managed to run 4*8gb 4+Ghz but the results are terrible RTLs are in 60 +
While 54-56-57-58 just did sub 35ns Aida64


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That's what I was saying for 2 years already. We kinda lucked out when Intel managed to make 14 nm node better than 22 nm. Still, temperatures per area are bad.
Power consumption = A + frequency*B*k^voltage
A little increase from 4 GHz to 6 will not hurt that much, but the voltage increase required to reach 6 GHz even on highly agile node would hurt A LOT.

Isn't electromigration more of a function of temperature than voltage?

From what I understand, both temperature and voltage play a part in electromigration, with temperature being more detrimental a lot more quickly. I should've probably phrased that as "excessively over spec" voltage. Even cool running chips can degrade at high voltage, but whenever I've seen that happen it's some enthusiast that's dumped 30-40 percent more voltage into the chip (or more in some cases).
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Not possible to do 4133 17-17-17-37 280 CR2? How different would the results be vs 4040 16-15-15-35 400 CR2?
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