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Too bad Intel will release X470 chipset with their next CPU and make Coffee Lake incompatible with it. I'm fed up with this. All this greediness from Intel makes me one step closer to AMD and AM4 platform for my next upgrade.

Knowing that I'll be safe until 2020 and there will be several compatible CPU upgrades in the coming years is much better than %5 better IPC.
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Too bad Intel will release X470 chipset with their next CPU and make Coffee Lake incompatible with it. I'm fed up with this. All this greediness from Intel makes me one step closer to AMD and AM4 platform for my next upgrade.

Knowing that I'll be safe until 2020 and there will be several compatible CPU upgrades in the coming years is much better than %5 better IPC.
Wait coffee lake should have at least 1 compatible CPU generation more which should be CannonLake
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Wait coffee lake should have at least 1 compatible CPU generation more which should be CannonLake

thought they already announced cannon is either ditched or part of the new architecture and its on a totally separate socket to existing chips along with announcing them pushing it back another 12 months while they try and jury rig the coffee range, and that cannon itself wil llikely only have one refresh before yet another socket change between now and 2020 (or at least that's what I read last week on several "new" sites)
post #834 of 5964
I still dont understand why people complain about buying new mobo for new generation cpus
yes be nice to have backwards compatibility but from my years of building you get new mobo eventually for newer features(even though how little it is) or building another pc with old cpu and its been always easier to sell
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I still dont understand why people complain about buying new mobo for new generation cpus
yes be nice to have backwards compatibility but from my years of building you get new mobo eventually for newer features(even though how little it is) or building another pc with old cpu and its been always easier to sell

+1
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People tend to forget that Intel actually adds new features to their updated chipsets. One example would be Intel adding native USB 3.0 support to their motherboards as early as Ivy Bridge's Z77 in 2012, while AMD's aging 900-series chipset (which was their top-end product up through early this year) only supported the 2.0 version and required slower 3rd-party controllers for their motherboards to get USB 3.0 ports.
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I still dont understand why people complain about buying new mobo for new generation cpus
yes be nice to have backwards compatibility but from my years of building you get new mobo eventually for newer features(even though how little it is) or building another pc with old cpu and its been always easier to sell

the z370 (first round of boards coming out this year) is a rebranded z270
no new features
next year will bring USB 3.1 gen 2 over this year's USB 3.1 gen 1
as far as I know that's about it (for desktop at least)
integrating wifi more instead of having it as a third party chip isn't going to be interesting at all, except on mobile

the "jump" from z170 to z270 brought newer features that aren't even worth mentioning

to put it another way

we're not talking sandy bridge to coffee lake backwards support

we're talking about the third iteration of skylake on a 1151 Socket
no one would even look at coffee lake at this point weren't it for the 2 additional cores

and that's why people complain
there is no magical jump in IPC
no whoa awesome more features

why can't coffee lake fit into z170/z270 when a 7700k can be made for x299?
just because Intel doesn't want to
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I still dont understand why people complain about buying new mobo for new generation cpus
yes be nice to have backwards compatibility but from my years of building you get new mobo eventually for newer features(even though how little it is) or building another pc with old cpu and its been always easier to sell

perhaps because you spent £400 on a top of the line ROG mobo and another £600 on a i7 cpu and latest top of the line ram and your not happy with needing to spend the same amount again to get an extra couple of hundred MHz out of the new stuff when it could of been issued on the same socket and your mobo maker could of just issued a new bios update.....

I bought an am3 mobo and the phenom ii x6 1055t chip in 2010 and its still running today, its moved to one of my kids who only got the 1055t in 2015 when I upgraded to the fx8350 because I needed a better chip for rendering work loads (and I begrudge forking out the prices intel charges) that's over 7 years of using the same amd socket
I was annoyed when they announced ryzen as am4 because it meant any new upgrades was going to mean ddr4 (never mind its benefits) and that's yet more expense on top, indeed if amd hadnt been charging peanuts for their older kit back In the 2001>2007 era I would of been supremely annoyed at how often they swapped socket on kit and they learned from that mistake....

theres no reason why intel cant make all their last 7 years worth of chips on a single socket size, amd did it for years, just by working out that the chip we are currently dreaming of will be this 940 pin monster so lets make all our current line up fit that universal socket size just without all the pins on current chips .... it saves them time and effort it saves them money and it saves their board partners lots of cash as well... all of which gets passed on to the consumer as savings in the end user price tag of the bits n bobs...

yes every year or two a new connection standard will get ratified and start getting used so folks will be encouraged to upgrade their motherboard, but that's all they have to buy, not new everything to fit on it as well ..... intel have been fleecing people for years and bribing people to hush things up for years, there so prolific they almost got banned from selling or making products in the EU over it, in the end they got let off with a fine, (but hey that's another good reason not to buy their overpriced hardware, you just paying their trillion euro fine or is it multiples I know they've been fined several times lol)

and yes I've bought new mobos to give new connectivity in the last 7 years and even bought new cpu's for better performance and I'll do it again in the future but I wont be forced to keep buying other bits everytime because the socket changed as well ....
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There are some inconsistencies here. First, that fake benchmark is not that fake. The 33% underscore in MT is roughly what a current i5 is capable of, and the Coffee Lake i3 will be just like any current i5 with the advantage of being unlocked and with higher clocks IIRC. So what you say it is not true. The i3 will be very competitive for the price, especially if they release later on a premium version with HT, which would be basically a current i7-7700K.

And second, 6/6 will be better than 4/8 no doubt about it, so the Coffee Lake i5 will be better than an i7-7700K if it clocks to 5Ghz as well. Even if it loses some 200mhz to the 7700K, in general the two extra cores will be more valuable. I might be wrong on this one, but even it the i5 loses some frames to the 7700K, I would still prefer the six cores for a more smooth gaming experience.

Oh, and yes, to buy an i7-7700K at this point is to shoot your own foot. The leaked benchmarks are showing the i7-8700K as a little beast.
The benchmark is 100% fake; it's an overclocked 4790K. The i3-8350K won't be as fast as that, not out of the box.

I don't deny that the i5s are going to beat the 7700K, but they aren't going to "destroy" it either. It will be very close.

If Intel ever does release a 4C/8T i3, it won't be for a while, not in generation 8. Intel doesn't want to turn its old i7s into i3s right off the bat. I think Intel is going to keep them in the i5 tier for a good long period.
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snap

Don't think you are on the right site..

I do understand you. But you are being unrealistic. They make money by selling new boards.

Why would AMD keep their ancient AM3 socket?
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