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To be fair at least AMD announced am4 would be for four years. Intel doesn't really announce it and sometimes it's not even 2 years.

LGA775 lasted four years. No reason they need to add or remove a single pin other than to, as you put it, fleece people. As I'll put it it's to take advantage of people and make fanboys think they've got something cutting edge just because it's new.
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The i3-8350K won't be as fast as that, not out of the box..

You don't understand. A benchmark that shows 30% under the i7-7700K is the same as a current i5. The i3-8350K will be an i5. So yes, it will be very competitive for middle / low end cards.
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the z370 (first round of boards coming out this year) is a rebranded z270
no new features
next year will bring USB 3.1 gen 2 over this year's USB 3.1 gen 1
as far as I know that's about it (for desktop at least)
integrating wifi more instead of having it as a third party chip isn't going to be interesting at all, except on mobile

the "jump" from z170 to z270 brought newer features that aren't even worth mentioning

to put it another way

we're not talking sandy bridge to coffee lake backwards support

we're talking about the third iteration of skylake on a 1151 Socket
no one would even look at coffee lake at this point weren't it for the 2 additional cores

and that's why people complain
there is no magical jump in IPC
no whoa awesome more features

why can't coffee lake fit into z170/z270 when a 7700k can be made for x299?
just because Intel doesn't want to

source on rebrand?
170vs270
4 pcie lanes dont care if they are semi fake still very important to many users just may not include you

wifi might not be important to you either but important to others
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Don't think you are on the right site..

I do understand you. But you are being unrealistic. They make money by selling new boards.

Why would AMD keep their ancient AM3 socket?
I think you meant snip....


I was really annoyed that ddr4 ram prices doubled as soon as ryzen was given an official release time frame i'd spent months seeing prices for 16gb kits at under £90 and suddenly its over £160.... that wouldn't have happened had amd launched something that took ddr4 a couple of years back like intel did... and making money selling boards is a big % of intels income and that's the sole reason why they push out minor chip refreshes on new sockets.....
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https://videocardz.com/72112/intel-claims-i7-8700k-to-be-11-faster-than-7700k

Right here. Granted IPC never appears, but this is where that 11% number seems to have come from. They also apparently claimed a 51% multithread improvement.

the 11% number appears to be completely false judging by the early benches. If anything single thread IPC might be lower. And there are 50% more cores/threads, so unless their multithreaded number was talking about number of cores and not any objective measure of the performance...

Since when was 11% higher single thread perf the same exact thing as 11% higher IPC? We can't be so sloppy with our terminology.

 

I specifically talked about this with Guttheslayer, and he's still going around talking about IPC. 

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Since when was 11% higher single thread perf the same exact thing as 11% higher IPC? We can't be so sloppy with our terminology.

I specifically talked about this with Guttheslayer, and he's still going around talking about IPC. 

To clear up this 11% single-thread performance increase, I believe it's coming primarily from the turbo 3.0 clock speed bump. 8700K is 4.7GHz, 7700K is 4.4GHz, that accounts for 7% of the 11% from clocks alone. The other 4% might be IPC, better cache, or just margin of error.


The 11%/51% figures from Intel are really IPS increases.
Edited by mouacyk - 8/28/17 at 2:45pm
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To clear up this 11% single-thread performance increase, I believe it's coming primarily from the turbo 3.0 clock speed bump. 8700K is 4.7GHz, 7700K is 4.4GHz, that accounts for 7% of the 11% from clocks alone. The other 4% might be IPC, better cache, or just margin of error.


The 11%/51% figures from Intel are really IPS increases.

How did you go from saying 7% of the 11% are from higher clocks, therefore the entire 11% are IPC increases?

 

It seemed obvious to me from the very start Intel would probably clock the parts higher and call that a win on single-thread perf, especially with a generation that very well might not include any architecture change.

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How did you go from saying 7% of the 11% are from higher clocks, therefore the entire 11% are IPC increases?

 

He didn't say that at all. He specifically said that only 4% are potentially IPC increases. He then specifically said that the figures being bandied about are in fact IPS increases which != IPC increases.

     
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He didn't say that at all. He specifically said that only 4% are potentially IPC increases. He then specifically said that the figures being bandied about are in fact IPS increases which != IPC increases.

 

Quote:
 The 11%/51% figures from Intel are really IPS increases.

 

 

Maybe he meant to say the figures are partly due to IPC increases.

 

It's Intel marketing, expect them to round up for some magic performance we very well might not get. :thumb: (I wouldn't be surprised if his numbers are about right, and I wouldn't be surprised if the final 4% lead in single thread perf becomes a no show in reviewer's hands. Dunno if it would be turbo boost 3.0 though, I thought that's Skylake X only.)


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TB 3.0 was on Broadwell and broadwell-e if i remember correctly, and now skylake-x, but has never made it to mainstream desktop.
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