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Is there any benefit to running Manjaro or Antergos over Arch? Ive been running Arch for a while and just curious. I think i need more machines as i love tinkering with other distros.
 
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Is there any benefit to running Manjaro or Antergos over Arch? Ive been running Arch for a while and just curious. I think i need more machines as i love tinkering with other distros.
Manjaro uses Arch as its base, but does have a lot of custom tweaks. I really like Manjaro a lot and am planning on using that as my main distro when I make the final switch.

From what I understand, Antergos is just Arch with an installer and maybe one or two other things, but really just Arch with an installer.
 
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Manjaro uses Arch as its base, but does have a lot of custom tweaks. I really like Manjaro a lot and am planning on using that as my main distro when I make the final switch.

From what I understand, Antergos is just Arch with an installer and maybe one or two other things, but really just Arch with an installer.
I have gathered the same understanding. I too want to make that switch. My laptop is running Arch and I really enjoy it but I enjoy exploring other options. My gaming rig is a different story. It is and has been a dual boot of win10 and Arch. I want to completely switch to Linux just have a few things holding me back but they are just excuses and not legitimate reasons.

What holds you back from switching over to Manjaro now?
 
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I have gathered the same understanding. I too want to make that switch. My laptop is running Arch and I really enjoy it but I enjoy exploring other options. My gaming rig is a different story. It is and has been a dual boot of win10 and Arch. I want to completely switch to Linux just have a few things holding me back but they are just excuses and not legitimate reasons.

What holds you back from switching over to Manjaro now?
I love Manjaro because you get a lot of the great benefits of Arch (simplicity, flexibility, AUR, etc) but without the bum-pain of Arch (install, dependency issues / breakage). I know that a lot of veteran Arch users don't have update breakage, but I'm not one of them and I prefer to use my limited free-time gaming / using my computer rather than trouble-shooting. I am, however, willing to put in the necessary elbow-grease required for Linux use in general.

I haven't switched full-time yet because there are still some games I play on Windows. Any of my professional or semi-professional activities can be done on Linux. There are just a few games I go back to over and over again that are Windows only. I would like to set up a vfio / PCIe pass-through which would require some more hardware, but honestly I might just get another SSD for Linux, set it up, and work on using WINE for those few hold-out games (Diablo III, HotS, some Steam games and some EA games). That would probably be best since I seem to be putting off my switch because of that wait for another graphics card and monitor. It would honestly be easiest just to get a Linux SSD and go from there.
 
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I love Manjaro because you get a lot of the great benefits of Arch (simplicity, flexibility, AUR, etc) but without the bum-pain of Arch (install, dependency issues / breakage). I know that a lot of veteran Arch users don't have update breakage, but I'm not one of them and I prefer to use my limited free-time gaming / using my computer rather than trouble-shooting. I am, however, willing to put in the necessary elbow-grease required for Linux use in general.

I haven't switched full-time yet because there are still some games I play on Windows. Any of my professional or semi-professional activities can be done on Linux. There are just a few games I go back to over and over again that are Windows only. I would like to set up a vfio / PCIe pass-through which would require some more hardware, but honestly I might just get another SSD for Linux, set it up, and work on using WINE for those few hold-out games (Diablo III, HotS, some Steam games and some EA games). That would probably be best since I seem to be putting off my switch because of that wait for another graphics card and monitor. It would honestly be easiest just to get a Linux SSD and go from there.
It took me quite a while to get Arch right. I've installed it may times because I messed my install up or broke something so bad I couldn't even begin to fix it. I've updated and broke the system as well. I've learned so much this year it's not even funny. But overall I love Arch. My next upgrade will be a single more powerful video card to replace my two gtx 970s.

My favorite game is Dark Souls 3.. a windows game. I have yet to get wine to work... I don't know why but it's obviously something I'm doing wrong. A few games annoy me with xboxdrv package because I still can't use my Xbox 360 controller. But it's not the end of the world stuff.
 
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It took me quite a while to get Arch right. I've installed it may times because I effed my install up or broke something so bad I couldn't even begin to fix it. I've updated and broke the system as well. I've learned so much this year it's not even funny. But overall I love Arch. My next upgrade will be a single more powerful video card to replace my two gtx 970s.

My favorite game is Dark Souls 3.. a windows game. I have yet to get wine to work... I don't know why but it's obviously something I'm doing wrong. A few games annoy me with xboxdrv package because I still can't use my Xbox 360 controller. But it's not the end of the world stuff.
Yeah, I think the biggest reason I haven't switched yet is because my free time is pretty limited right now. When I've got the free time, I'd rather just spend it playing a game. Poor excuse but one of these days I'll get sick of the MS shaft-dance and just switch. Heck, as a Ryzen user on Win7 I'm just about there anyway! Getting another SSD (probably an M.2 NVMe one) will accelerate that, providing me a bit of a safety net what with keeping my Windows drive intact just in case. Once I get comfortable in Linux, I can re-purpose my Windows SSD as game storage.
 
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Yeah, I think the biggest reason I haven't switched yet is because my free time is pretty limited right now. When I've got the free time, I'd rather just spend it playing a game. Poor excuse but one of these days I'll get sick of the MS shaft-dance and just switch. Heck, as a Ryzen user on Win7 I'm just about there anyway! Getting another SSD (probably an M.2 NVMe one) will accelerate that, providing me a bit of a safety net what with keeping my Windows drive intact just in case. Once I get comfortable in Linux, I can re-purpose my Windows SSD as game storage.
Well I think I'll alway keep the windows drive as a just in case... more excuses on my part lol. But seriously, I know I've said it many times in different threads but single big video card for me and as long as it's close to 60fps in 4k.. even if there isn't as many games.. I'm so switching.
 
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Well I think I'll alway keep the windows drive as a just in case... more excuses on my part lol. But seriously, I know I've said it many times in different threads but single big video card for me and as long as it's close to 60fps in 4k.. even if there isn't as many games.. I'm so switching.
Oh yeah, I've got a whole bag of excuses if you need to borrow any!
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Single big card is always the best bet these days, I feel like multi-GPU support is dwindling away more than ever now. I've still got my QNIX 1440p monitor but my next upgrade will be a 1440p (either 16:9 or 21:9) 100Hz+ FreeSync monitor for sure, maybe even this one. That price is sick!
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Oh yeah, I've got a whole bag of excuses if you need to borrow any!
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Single big card is always the best bet these days, I feel like multi-GPU support is dwindling away more than ever now. I've still got my QNIX 1440p monitor but my next upgrade will be a 1440p (either 16:9 or 21:9) FreeSync monitor for sure. Just waiting on a good open box or refurb price!
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Haha... I know right.

I definitely agree, single video card is the way to go. 21:9 monitor... sign me up. That's what we want too. I'm going to have to wait until January or February before I can replace my video cards but then my daughter's rig will get one of my 970s and I'll sell the other or maybe build a small form factor rig. Hmm or sell both cards now and buy a 1080... lots of options.
 
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Haha... I know right.

I definitely agree, single video card is the way to go. 21:9 monitor... sign me up. That's what we want too. I'm going to have to wait until January or February before I can replace my video cards but then my daughter's rig will get one of my 970s and I'll sell the other or maybe build a small form factor rig. Hmm or sell both cards now and buy a 1080... lots of options.
There are some pretty good 1080 prices right now, but I'm wondering if they'll drop 1080 / 1070 prices another $40 or $50 when Vega gets released. I personally prefer to stick to AMD, they leave about all their card features unlocked like IOMMU for pcie passthrough. Also, I always feel like I get more for my money with AMD, especially since I tend to buy cards about a year behind or so. I used nVidia for a while but I was underwhelmed with their stuff. Got AMD and haven't looked back since. What keeps me on AMD is the openness of their philosophy / actions (for the most part, no one's perfect). They push the industry forward in a lot of ways and I'll vote with my wallet. It really doesn't cost me much (noticeable) performance. Their open source drivers are excellent!
 
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There are some pretty good 1080 prices right now, but I'm wondering if they'll drop 1080 / 1070 prices another $40 or $50 when Vega gets released. I personally prefer to stick to AMD, they leave about all their card features unlocked like IOMMU for pcie passthrough. Also, I always feel like I get more for my money with AMD, especially since I tend to buy cards about a year behind or so. I used nVidia for a while but I was underwhelmed with their stuff. Got AMD and haven't looked back since. What keeps me on AMD is the openness of their philosophy / actions (for the most part, no one's perfect). They push the industry forward in a lot of ways and I'll vote with my wallet. It really doesn't cost me much (noticeable) performance. Their open source drivers are excellent!
Oh I started with AMD. Whichever works.. works. I wanted to try Nvidia out last year so that's why I bought the 970s. The open source Amd driver definitely seems good. Lol seems 1080 is the only high end card available right now at a reasonable price... damn miners.. kidding.
 
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Oh I started with AMD. Whichever works.. works. I wanted to try Nvidia out last year so that's why I bought the 970s. The open source Amd driver definitely seems good. Lol seems 1080 is the only high end card available right now at a reasonable price... damn miners.. kidding.
Yeah no kidding, that price was tempting me to grab one! But since I wanted a FreeSync monitor I stayed my hand. I'm just not willing to pay the nVidia tax for G-Sync, mainly cuz I'm cheap
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Budget-conscious, that's the term!
 
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Yeah no kidding, that price was tempting me to grab one! But since I wanted a FreeSync monitor I stayed my hand. I'm just not willing to pay the nVidia tax for G-Sync, mainly cuz I'm cheap
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Budget-conscious, that's the term!
Sounds like a good way to put it. I'm pretty much middle of the road for the most part. I run X99 but use a 5820k and gtx 970s however I went a bit overboard on the case and watercooling stuffs.
 
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Sounds like a good way to put it. I'm pretty much middle of the road for the most part. I run X99 but use a 5820k and gtx 970s however I went a bit overboard on the case and watercooling stuffs.
lol I know what you mean. I don't need 8 cores / 16 threads, but I'd much rather have it and not need it than vice versa! I guess the best way to put it is a budget look at performance and dependability. I won't skimp, but I'm certainly not going to buy the 6950X! That applies to cooling as well. I had a custom loop before, but the idea of regular maintenance kind of turned me off of that idea. So I got my Thermalright Le Grand Macho, just a ridiculously good air cooler. Meets or beats NH-D15 and is actually quieter a bit.

I have been tempted recently to jump back into water, but it's really just for funsies. I don't need it for sure, but I wouldn't mind messing with it a bit more. Just an idea on the back-burner, trying to put together a simple, inexpensive, low-maintenance loop. Got a pretty good one put together for about $335 including shipping. Swiftech Apogee Drive II (AM4 mount), HWLabs Nemesis L-series 420mm rad, Swiftech compression fittings, couple fittings for a fill-port / drain-port, and Tygon Industrial tubing. Not too bad and I think it'll perform great for the money. Using a premix coolant I think maintenance will be pretty easy too. Again, just a concept I'm kicking around. What case / custom loop do you have?
 
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lol I know what you mean. I don't need 8 cores / 16 threads, but I'd much rather have it and not need it than vice versa! I guess the best way to put it is a budget look at performance and dependability. I won't skimp, but I'm certainly not going to buy the 6950X! That applies to cooling as well. I had a custom loop before, but the idea of regular maintenance kind of turned me off of that idea. So I got my Thermalright Le Grand Macho, just a ridiculously good air cooler. Meets or beats NH-D15 and is actually quieter a bit.

I have been tempted recently to jump back into water, but it's really just for funsies. I don't need it for sure, but I wouldn't mind messing with it a bit more. Just an idea on the back-burner, trying to put together a simple, inexpensive, low-maintenance loop. Got a pretty good one put together for about $335 including shipping. Swiftech Apogee Drive II (AM4 mount), HWLabs Nemesis L-series 420mm rad, Swiftech compression fittings, couple fittings for a fill-port / drain-port, and Tygon Industrial tubing. Not too bad and I think it'll perform great for the money. Using a premix coolant I think maintenance will be pretty easy too. Again, just a concept I'm kicking around. What case / custom loop do you have?
My next build will be at least a 6 core something.. at this point it could be from either side but my 5820k is underwhelming which pushes me towards Amd. Loop maintenance? Meh, every 6 months.. dump the coolant and clean the cat hair from the radiators and fans. Once a year strip all blocks and pumps down and really clean them out. That's all I do.

I have a caselabs sma8 with two 560s... actually it fits 3 but that's just silly for my set up. I have a fully watercooled mobo with EK blocks, bitspower fittings, 16mm hardtube, two D5s, EK gpu blocks and backplate. All in a single loop.
 
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This would be my money pit.

 
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My next build will be at least a 6 core something.. at this point it could be from either side but my 5820k is underwhelming which pushes me towards Amd. Loop maintenance? Meh, every 6 months.. dump the coolant and clean the cat hair from the radiators and fans. Once a year strip all blocks and pumps down and really clean them out. That's all I do.

I have a caselabs sma8 with two 560s... actually it fits 3 but that's just silly for my set up. I have a fully watercooled mobo with EK blocks, bitspower fittings, 16mm hardtube, two D5s, EK gpu blocks and backplate. All in a single loop.
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This would be my money pit.
That looks great, I'm lovin' that coolant color. I'd love to get a CaseLabs case but I really don't need that much room. If I did get one, it would be my case for years and years. I may grab one of the smaller ATX options, we'll see! Honestly, this Define S is such a great case, I'd almost feel bad replacing it
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That looks great, I'm lovin' that coolant color. I'd love to get a CaseLabs case but I really don't need that much room. If I did get one, it would be my case for years and years. I may grab one of the smaller ATX options, we'll see! Honestly, this Define S is such a great case, I'd almost feel bad replacing it
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Thanks! This case actually started it's life as an smh10 and I later converted it to a sma8 when it became available. So it's been maybe 3 years, I had big plans for it but I rather a smaller case now. I can actually run everything off one 560 radiator so two is overkill.

The define S is very nice. I'd definitely stick with that. After helping my daughter with her Silverstone Raven rvz01 I realized the allure of small cases. Maybe SFF steam machinisk is the way.
 
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Thanks! This case actually started it's life as an smh10 and I later converted it to a sma8 when it became available. So it's been maybe 3 years, I had big plans for it but I rather a smaller case now. I can actually run everything off one 560 radiator so two is overkill.

The define S is very nice. I'd definitely stick with that. After helping my daughter with her Silverstone Raven rvz01 I realized the allure of small cases. Maybe SFF steam machinisk is the way.
I keep toying with that idea, the Fractal Design Core 500 is appealing since you can still use a decent sized air cooler in it! I really like the idea of a beastly CPU / GPU combo in a tiny box.
 
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I keep toying with that idea, the Fractal Design Core 500 is appealing since you can still use a decent sized air cooler in it! I really like the idea of a beastly CPU / GPU combo in a tiny box.
My thought exactly.. Hmm lol maybe I'll sell my sma8 and go smaller. I drive my wife crazy with my ideas.
 
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My thought exactly.. Hmm lol maybe I'll sell my sma8 and go smaller. I drive my wife crazy with my ideas.
I know exactly what you mean. She just doesn't get it... probably never will. I'm hoping to bring my daughter up in the computer nerd ways.

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I know exactly what you mean. She just doesn't get it... probably never will. I'm hoping to bring my daughter up in the computer nerd ways.

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YES! Once they are hooked, there is no turning back. At least if they are buying hardware they won't be able to buy stuff they shouldn't. Lol. I try to get my daughter to use the terminal as much as possible, maybe one day it'll sink in.
 
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YES! Once they are hooked, there is no turning back. At least if they are buying hardware they won't be able to buy stuff they shouldn't. Lol. I try to get my daughter to use the terminal as much as possible, maybe one day it'll sink in.
Yeah, that's the hope... then when we're doing computer stuff together, it'll be learning!!! I've got a couple Linux books I'm hoping she'll be interested in reading some day. I won't push it too hard, if she's interested she's interested if not then that's fine too. But I sure hope she is!
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Yeah, that's the hope... then when we're doing computer stuff together, it'll be learning!!! I've got a couple Linux books I'm hoping she'll be interested in reading some day. I won't push it too hard, if she's interested she's interested if not then that's fine too. But I sure hope she is!
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How old is she? Mine is 12. I'm pretty sure if I drop the Linux bible in front of her she'd laugh and push the 900 some odd pages off the table. Yeah man if they are interested then they are interested. All we can do is guide.
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How old is she? Mine is 12. I'm pretty sure if I drop the Linux bible in front of her she'd laugh and push the 900 some odd pages off the table. Yeah man if they are interested then they are interested. All we can do is guide.
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Oh mine's only 2, so she's got a ways before she cares hahaha. A lil gentle nudging here and there might get her going in that direction but we'll see!
 
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Oh mine's only 2, so she's got a ways before she cares hahaha. A lil gentle nudging here and there might get her going in that direction but we'll see!
Awesome! I love when they are that little and their little personality starts to come out.
 
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