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What CPU for new gaming build right now?

986 views 30 replies 13 participants last post by  SiK-HiT-rEg 
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Kaby lake i7 7700k, i5 7600k or i7 6700k?

I planned to wait for coffee lake but that seems to be pushed back to feb 2018 now. So the 3 listed above are probably my best options for a new gaming build. I still am not convinced with amd and x299 seems like trash so I thought those 3 are the best for new gaming rig. I just heard the 7700k runs really really hot. So i consodered the i5 7600k or i7 6700k instead. Any help or opinion/thoughts is appreciated.
 
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Originally Posted by mlambert890 View Post

I run 7700k at 4.5Ghz all cores and idle in the 30s and hit 77C or so with Prime 95 max heat on a Corsair H100. Anyone who thinks this is "hot" is full of s h i t really. It's perfectly fine.
I'm not saying they arent good. But it seems to be a trend that people are saying they run really hot. I dont have one so I can only say what I have heard from others. I am going to do a dual custom loop so maybe heat wont be an issue I don't know.
 
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Originally Posted by SiK-HiT-rEg View Post

I'm not saying they arent good. But it seems to be a trend that people are saying they run really hot. I dont have one so I can only say what I have heard from others. I am going to do a dual custom loop so maybe heat wont be an issue I don't know.
Depends how much you want to spend if you want to get the best of the best for gaming now, get a 7700K and overclock it. If you want something good enough and save yourself some money, get an R5 1600 an overclock it.

I wouldn't bother with an i5, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a 4c/4t CPU anymore.
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I run 7700k at 4.5Ghz all cores and idle in the 30s and hit 77C or so with Prime 95 max heat on a Corsair H100. Anyone who thinks this is "hot" is full of s h i t really. It's perfectly fine.
4.5 on all cores is hardly even an overclock for a 7700K, temps start rising quickly once you get past that. It also depends how good the TIM application under the IHS is, you might have a good one, doesn't mean everyone else does. Unless Intel starts soldering the IHS' again, their CPU's will remain to run relatively hot.
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I am going to do a dual custom loop so maybe heat wont be an issue I don't know.
It might still be, if the TIM under the IHS is bad enough, it won't matter how well you cool it, it will still run hot when OC'ed.

And and just so you know, a single loop always performs better and is more cost efficient than a dual loop. The only real advantage to a dual loop is that it looks pretty neat when done right.
 
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

Depends how much you want to spend if you want to get the best of the best for gaming now, get a 7700K and overclock it. If you want something good enough and save yourself some money, get an R5 1600 an overclock it.

I wouldn't bother with an i5, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a 4c/4t CPU anymore.
Well I planned to wait for coffeelake, but now that seems like it wont be till next year I dont think I will keep waiting. I have already been waiting to purchase my cpu and motherboard for a few months already.
 
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Well I planned to wait for coffeelake, but now that seems like it wont be till next year I dont think I will keep waiting. I have already been waiting to purchase my cpu and motherboard for a few months already.
imo just buy now and enjoy it. to me it seems like intel is stumbling over its own feet trying to rush releases and i am sure it will have issues when it finally comes out.
 
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Originally Posted by SiK-HiT-rEg View Post

I'm not saying they arent good. But it seems to be a trend that people are saying they run really hot. I dont have one so I can only say what I have heard from others. I am going to do a dual custom loop so maybe heat wont be an issue I don't know.
7700k is hot if you try to get past 4.7-4.8. for 5 you need delid there is no way.

Depending on your actual CPU o would say wait till Q4. If you have money to burn and resell a 7700k platform later, go on.
It's not like the 7700k is bad, it's the best gaming chip now, but it's fasting approaching insuficient status on core count. On my 7700k 5ghz, bf1 mp is constantly near 95%.

I'm too waiting, between either going 6 core coffee if clocks are nice on OC or going skx directly. Personally i think hedt platform is much more robust I stayed 5 years on a nehalem.

Ryzen is a good option if you don't care about high frequency displays. If you are just pursing 60hz amd is a no brainier. For absolutely best fps, either go 7700k or 7800 or 7820x oc if you main usage is gaming.
 
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Speaking as a 7700K owner, they run incredibly hot unless you get one of the rare lucky ones with a good IHS mount, unless you delid it.

If I was building a rig from scratch now I would get an R5 1600 and spend the change on a better graphics card.
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Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde View Post

Speaking as a 7700K owner, they run incredibly hot unless you get one of the rare lucky ones with a good IHS mount, unless you delid it.

If I was building a rig from scratch now I would get an R5 1600 and spend the change on a better graphics card.
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Im not worried about saving money right now. Prolly will be running dual gtx 1080 ti's. My issue is now that coffee lak is most likely getting pushed back should I go for a 7700k or something else. The only thing that worries me is everyone saying how hot they run. I plan on water cooling.
 
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Originally Posted by SiK-HiT-rEg View Post

Im not worried about saving money right now. Prolly will be running dual gtx 1080 ti's. My issue is now that coffee lak is most likely getting pushed back should I go for a 7700k or something else. The only thing that worries me is everyone saying how hot they run. I plan on water cooling.
If you're happy to delid, or you'll be satisfied with a smaller overclock at around 1.25V-1.3V to probably around 4.7-4.8 then get a 7700K, its the best gaming chip at the moment for sure, a custom loop wont help you as much as you'd think vs a top end air cooler if you get a chip with a bad mount. The bottleneck is the gap between the die and the IHS, as has been said already. ]Check out the Kaby Lake thread for some ideas on results people have got from delidding or not
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For example in my sig rig air cooled I can do 4.9 at around 1.28 v (decent chip) which is 8 hour stable in Asus Realbench. That overclock sees me hitting 80C in some games at times. I shudder to think what Prime 95 small FFT's would do, Blend hits 90 after a couple minutes. Hot as hell.

Delidding is easier these days though, I'm sure youve seen the tools available now and theres plenty of Youtube vids on it. I have one myself but just havent had the time to use it yet as its summer here and its busy time for me.

I just meant that if you were to get a R51600 with a GTX 1080, vs a 7700K with a GTX 1070, that for the most part the Ryzen build would game better.
 
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Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde View Post

If you're happy to delid, or you'll be satisfied with a smaller overclock at around 1.25V-1.3V to probably around 4.7-4.8 then get a 7700K, its the best gaming chip at the moment for sure, a custom loop wont help you as much as you'd think vs a top end air cooler if you get a chip with a bad mount. The bottleneck is the gap between the die and the IHS, as has been said already. ]Check out the Kaby Lake thread for some ideas on results people have got from delidding or not
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For example in my sig rig air cooled I can do 4.9 at around 1.28 v (decent chip) which is 8 hour stable in Asus Realbench. That overclock sees me hitting 80C in some games at times. I shudder to think what Prime 95 small FFT's would do, Blend hits 90 after a couple minutes. Hot as hell.

Delidding is easier these days though, I'm sure youve seen the tools available now and theres plenty of Youtube vids on it. I have one myself but just havent had the time to use it yet as its summer here and its busy time for me.

I just meant that if you were to get a R51600 with a GTX 1080, vs a 7700K with a GTX 1070, that for the most part the Ryzen build would game better.
The hot part is probably overrated. Sure you can easily oc it to 5ghz most chip do, just delid and use a simple custom loop or aio and call it a day.
Mine is 5.0 on 1.34v on h110 40% fans max 66c on summer it's very comfortable.
If you don't want to delid just buy from silicon lottery.
I'm with a 7700k, I'm not pressed right now and waiting, driving 2x 1080s, but on due time I will probably get a 7820x oc at least 4.7. rough single thread perf will be the same but more cores and bandwidth.
 
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The hot part is probably overrated. Sure you can easily oc it to 5ghz most chip do, just delid and use a simple custom loop or aio and call it a day.
Mine is 5.0 on 1.34v on h110 40% fans max 66c on summer it's very comfortable.
If you don't want to delid just buy from silicon lottery.
I'm with a 7700k, I'm not pressed right now and waiting, driving 2x 1080s, but on due time I will probably get a 7820x oc at least 4.7. rough single thread perf will be the same but more cores and bandwidth.
I've seen a few people like you who got chips with good IHS mounts who are wondering what all the fuss is about. Unfortunately the majority of people are forced to delid to get sensible temps when overclocking, and some few get chips that are hitting those crazy temps at stock with auto voltage.

Its also true that going from 4.8 to 5 GHZ really doesnt get you much other then bragging rights, so theres that too
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If i was buying an Intel cpu right now. I would probably get one of the 5.1ghz 7700k chips from siliconlottery just so i know it can do 5.1+. Only because i don't like to play the lottery.
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Or any cpu...
 
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Originally Posted by SiK-HiT-rEg View Post

Ok so after some more reading and research it seems like the 7700k is probably the way to go. And will most likely get it from siliconlottery. What are your thoughts on the 7800x?
You can get one @5ghz around 600$, the issue I see with that is the up cost of x299 to a 6 core.
Gaming wise you will probably get somewhat worse performance on any skx due to cache, but it's probably gonna be on par and better. Personally, to go hedt I would go directly to a good 7820x.
It's a shame Intel capped pcie lanes up to 7900x, but you can do SLI just fine with 28 lanes, I'm on z170 and it's just fine, either on 144 or 4k.
 
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Originally Posted by postem View Post

You can get one @5ghz around 600$, the issue I see with that is the up cost of x299 to a 6 core.
Gaming wise you will probably get somewhat worse performance on any skx due to cache, but it's probably gonna be on par and better. Personally, to go hedt I would go directly to a good 7820x.
It's a shame Intel capped pcie lanes up to 7900x, but you can do SLI just fine with 28 lanes, I'm on z170 and it's just fine, either on 144 or 4k.
Who many pcielanes are with the 7700k? I thought i read somewhere it was only like 16 or something? Can I still sli with the 7700k? Or will I be better off just running one 1080 ti?
 
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^Why would you want SLI Ti's? What resolution will you be gaming @?
 
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Originally Posted by SiK-HiT-rEg View Post

Who many pcielanes are with the 7700k? I thought i read somewhere it was only like 16 or something? Can I still sli with the 7700k? Or will I be better off just running one 1080 ti?
With z170/z270 20/22 lanes.
With SLI you can only do 8/8, but it's enough. I have 2 1080s and with that I usually top 144hz on 1440p.

For now o think 2x tis is overkill, one will probably allow you 60 fps 4k, but you can't get up to 80-90 at 4k. At this setting you will not need a beefy CPU, for less than 100hz. Not to mention a display that allow + than 60 hz on 4k.

On other side, my preferred, use 144hz 1440p. Beyond 140-150fps majority of games will not be able to keep pushing frames due to engine limitations or CPU limits. A single ti will allow you to have 120-140hz on a good number of games with a good cpu.

If I were on your shoes I would get one ti and see if it's good enough then you go and get another if desired

I just gone 1080 SLI because at time there wasn't ti released, but for now, even with all SLI issues, I think performance still is superior to a single ti.
 
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Op, you need to balance it out. Just save/wait for the i9 if going for two 1080 Tis. It's like putting kumho tires on a maserati.
 
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I wouldn't bother with SLI at the moment whether you have the lanes or not. Unless you have a very specific set of games you play that actually make use of it, it's quite a waste these days. I have 2 1080 ti's and the second card really only sees use for mining and PhysX acceleration in a few games. Practically none of the 30 or so games I've played on this setup see any real improvement from SLI. Rise of the Tomb Raider and GTA5 are about it and the latter often crashes if I use DSR to bump the resolution high enough to even need the second card. Even Witcher 3 which used to make good use of 2 cards now has no SLI profile by default as it was removed at some point in a driver update.

Personally I couldn't justify another quad core for a high end build at this point in time. We've been saying for years that higher core count chips are "future resistant" as developers code their games to utilize more threads but that has stagnated as Intel has kept the mainstream platform on 4 physical cores for a decade now. Just very recently games started really performing better on 8 threads as opposed to 4. As there is *finally* a proper 6/12 and 8/16 on the mainstream platform from AMD and Intel has 6/12 mainstream chips right around the corner it may finally come true very soon that more than 4 cores are helpful for game performance. The enthusiast platform is unnecessary (and sometimes actually a bit slower) for a strictly gaming machine and this launch is a bit of a mess still anyway so I wouldn't consider X299 in this case. The current 6700k and 7700k are a viable option but will probably look dated pretty quickly with Coffee Lake likely coming in just a couple months. That leaves Ryzen - Somewhat slower per core but easier to cool, twice the cores for less money, and a platform that isn't a dead end as current 1151 boards are likely to be.

Have a look at this comparison of the i7 7800X with the Ryzen R5 1600: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfNMn7RWgLw&t=1s

This gives a good idea of how the currently available 6 cores compare from Intel and AMD with some 7700K tests thrown in as well, all chips with achievable overclocks. They trade blows depending on the title with the 7700K coming out ahead by a small margin in games that really like single core performance but the difference isn't that huge, especially if you'll be running higher resolutions. Also the 1700 leaves 4 or so cores available for anything else you want to run in the background.

In your position I would highly recommend either waiting for Coffee Lake or grabbing a Ryzen 1700 if you want to buy something right now. Stick with a single card and save $700+ (which could be put towards the Caselabs SMA8 that puts the 900D to shame, just sayin
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going to be bias and say i7-6700k.. imo its the solid choice as the 7700k is just the same CPU with some extra stuff on it which make it run much hotter
 
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Op, you need to balance it out. Just save/wait for the i9 if going for two 1080 Tis. It's like putting kumho tires on a maserati.
I dont entirely agree with that. The costs of a 7900 and the heat is very high, and you will struggle past 4.5, if you manage to reach.

Im still believing a middle of road 8 cores high frequency is better.
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going to be bias and say i7-6700k.. imo its the solid choice as the 7700k is just the same CPU with some extra stuff on it which make it run much hotter
Dunno, with skylake, i think its statistic distribution, but mine used to run cooler, but i hit a wall at 4.7. On Kaby i managed to reach 5.0 very easily, but only capable of maintaing sane temps, 60s, with deliding.
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I wouldn't bother with SLI at the moment whether you have the lanes or not. Unless you have a very specific set of games you play that actually make use of it, it's quite a waste these days. I have 2 1080 ti's and the second card really only sees use for mining and PhysX acceleration in a few games. Practically none of the 30 or so games I've played on this setup see any real improvement from SLI. Rise of the Tomb Raider and GTA5 are about it and the latter often crashes if I use DSR to bump the resolution high enough to even need the second card. Even Witcher 3 which used to make good use of 2 cards now has no SLI profile by default as it was removed at some point in a driver update.
If i was in the position today of getting one good TI (2000+mhz) and the 1080 sli, i would go for the 1080ti. SLI has all sort of problems: more heat, noise, microstutter, game compatibility.
I just didnt sold my both for a new TI because, well, for majority of games im playing its working somewhat as expected. Last time i played witcher 3, has getting consistent 135Hz 1440p, but its much of an issue, this thing never work flawless. Hitman is an example of a beautiful made dx12 game, with up to 80% scaling, its incredible.
 
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