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[WCCFT] AMD Radeon RX Vega Challenge At PDXLAN – Gaming Vega Is Almost Here

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#1 ·
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We're exactly one week away from SIGGRAPH, a 4+ decade old annual tech conference on PC graphics, where AMD will officially launch RX Vega. The company is expected to debut a roster of next generation Radeon Vega gaming cards to cater to the high-end segment of the gaming market. An area where it hasn't launched any graphics products since its Fury family in 2015.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-challenge-pdxlan/

Personal comments: Shameful of AMD to compare two systems without any metrics or stats. Deceptive and does not show them in a good light.
edit: forgive typing errors, phone is terrible.
 
#2 ·
Until actual users get these in their hands with unbiased reviews, we will know nothing, just alot of speculation.
 
#3 ·
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Originally Posted by Zorngodofall View Post

RX vega being shown off at PDX LAN. It's the same thing Budapest. Blind taste testing and asking people if they can tell the difference between an AMD rig with free sync and an Nvidia rig G sync. It's more of the same but in that article AMD is saying the free sync monitor is 400$ cheaper. So the 'would you believe this rig is 300$ cheaper' thing might mean RX Vega is 100$ more than a 1080.

Personal comments: Shameful of AMD to compare two systems without any metrics or stats. Deceptive and does not show them in a good light.

Source:

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-challenge-pdxlan/
$100 dollars more for GTX 1080 performance. What a joke.
 
#4 ·
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Originally Posted by Zorngodofall View Post

RX vega being shown off at PDX LAN. It's the same thing Budapest. Blind taste testing and asking people if they can tell the difference between an AMD rig with free sync and an Nvidia rig G sync. It's more of the same but in that article AMD is saying the free sync monitor is 400$ cheaper. So the 'would you believe this rig is 300$ cheaper' thing might mean RX Vega is 100$ more than a 1080.

Personal comments: Shameful of AMD to compare two systems without any metrics or stats. Deceptive and does not show them in a good light.

Source:

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-challenge-pdxlan/
I think AMD doesn't want their cards to be rated on the average frame rate they produce. AMD wants to focus on their HBCC and its supposedly better minimum framerate. Other things like latency and bigger textures could be factors that AMD wants to compare with their competition.
 
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Originally Posted by criminal View Post

$100 dollars more for GTX 1080 performance. What a joke.
But but... Freesync is cheaper... Included AIO...
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by Zorngodofall View Post

RX vega being shown off at PDX LAN. It's the same thing as Budapest. Blind taste testing and asking people if they can tell the difference between an AMD rig with free sync and an Nvidia rig G sync. It's more of the same but in that article AMD is saying the free sync monitor is 400$ cheaper. So the 'would you believe this rig is 300$ cheaper' thing might mean RX Vega is 100$ more than a 1080.

Personal comments: Shameful of AMD to compare two systems without any metrics or stats. Deceptive and does not show them in a good light.

Source:

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-challenge-pdxlan/

edit: forgive typing errors, phone is terrible.
Nah, he said the freesync was $499 and the gsync was $949.
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#7 ·
The blind test usage reminds me the method used by AMD to compare Sandy Bridge and Bulldozer.
The RX Vega launch is planned for next week and it doesn't seem to be the case.
No leaks, no shop listing price, no reviewer kit, Freesync galore for biaised comparison...
Indeed, RX Vega looks like a real mess and a marketing sinking.
 
#8 ·
Had high hopes for vega but this seems like a marketing stunt. They can redeem themselves by pricing it under 1080 but that's a fat chance since HBM is expensive. Not to mention how big that die is.
There is no magic driver, vega is simply under performing and power hungry.
 
#9 ·
AMD's marketing fails yet again.
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by criminal View Post

$100 dollars more for GTX 1080 performance. What a joke.
I think it's safe to say, stick a fork in it, vega is done.

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Originally Posted by The Robot View Post

But but... Freesync is cheaper... Included AIO...
As soon as vega drops the benchmarks are going to eat it alive.

AMD marketing is bad, real bad. If they would have used more than one game it might not have looked so jaded. If they would have used a different game, say need for speed? Mass effect. There would have been a big difference in the informal poll.

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Also maybe a spokes person, who was in a little better shape, health wise.
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AMD what were you thinking. As of late it seems this company is run by a bunch of stoned 20 Y/O.

Makes me very, very sad.
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AMD
 
#11 ·
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Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post

Nah, he said the freesync was $499 and the gsync was $949.
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.... let's hope the 300$ figure was translated bad or something or it was just something wrong, because 150$ delta over 1080 would be really, really bad. Also, you also do need a beefier PSU for Vega than you would a 1080 so that has to be taken into account too.
 
#12 ·
The success of Zen will keep AMD afloat until they're able to replicate what they did with Infinity Fabric with GPU dies with Navi
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Although I do wonder who exactly is to "blame," for RTG's failure to produce truly competitive products that don't have to rely on slim profit margins?
Incompetence within head management of RTG? Insufficient funding? Poor talent pool? A mix of all of them?
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by Zorngodofall View Post

.... let's hope the 300$ figure was translated bad or something or it was just something wrong, because 150$ delta over 1080 would be really, really bad. Also, you also do need a beefier PSU for Vega than you would a 1080 so that has to be taken into account too.
That $150 over the 1080 includes the RX Vega FWD(fine wine driver) DLC. Pay the $150 now and get the future driver update that unlocks 1080Ti performance for free!
 
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Originally Posted by SystemTech View Post

Until actual users get these in their hands with unbiased reviews, we will know nothing, just alot of speculation.
it's not nothing

everyone's assessment of these blind tests will probably end up being fairly close to the end product.

exactly 1 more week until all these speculations blow over. I'm glad.

If there are not full reviews next Monday from the usual suspects (Techreport, Anadtech, TPU, [H], HWC, GN etc) then I'll facepalm so hard...RTG will be dead to me if it can't even match the 1080 regardless of price.
 
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Just give it up already
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Feels like we won't hear a thing about Vega on the 30th and have to wait till 3rd for any REAL info.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by Butthurt Beluga View Post

The success of Zen will keep AMD afloat until they're able to replicate what they did with Infinity Fabric with GPU dies with Navi
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Vega has Infinity Fabric
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Btw who's talking WCCFTECH seriously? Those were the same people who created the whole list of the Threadripper CPUs including 10/14 core CPUs out of thin air.
Which cannot exist, because AMD cannot chop a third of CCX. They can only produce 4-6-8-12-16-24-32 core CPUs currently. Nothing else.
No dual cores, no 5 cores, neither 10 cores.

Yes the X399 might see an 8 core if there are some failed chips. But that's all.
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by Fediuld View Post

Vega has Infinity Fabric
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Btw who's talking WCCFTECH seriously? Those were the same people who created the whole list of the Threadripper CPUs including 10/14 core CPUs out of thin air.
Which cannot exist, because AMD cannot chop a third of CCX. They can only produce 4-6-8-12-16-24-32 core CPUs currently. Nothing else.
No dual cores, no 5 cores, neither 10 cores.

Yes the X399 might see an 8 core if there are some failed chips. But that's all.
I meant IF as in multiple dies "glued" together with some of that high quality Elmer's that AMD has been using with Ryzen
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#21 ·
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Originally Posted by Butthurt Beluga View Post

I meant IF as in multiple dies "glued" together with some of that high quality Elmer's that AMD has been using with Ryzen
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I imagine that with InfiniteFabric, they could decide to create different and smaller die types to increase yield, performance and customizability.
I'm no expert in the field, but I guess they could have a interposer with a "normal/master die" and a couple of "worker" dies with no compute units and only shaders etc.

That way they could also make a "Compute-Only" die, for their enterprise products.

It all depends on how far they intend to take their Navi scalability and the cost of a multi-purpose die vs three similar, yet different dies.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by Fediuld View Post

Vega has Infinity Fabric
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Btw who's talking WCCFTECH seriously? Those were the same people who created the whole list of the Threadripper CPUs including 10/14 core CPUs out of thin air.
Which cannot exist, because AMD cannot chop a third of CCX. They can only produce 4-6-8-12-16-24-32 core CPUs currently. Nothing else.
No dual cores, no 5 cores, neither 10 cores.

Yes the X399 might see an 8 core if there are some failed chips. But that's all.
Don't really like quoting WCCFT but it's the monitor prices that people should find interesting. 499 and 949, respectively, it was the main point. We also hadn't heard a thing from PDX LAN for some reason, so I googled it hoping to find something. I would like to know why like nothing has come out since it happened. We know from event 1 that there was a 300 delta on the Nvidia system over the AMD one. with a 450 Delta for the G sync and basic math... 450 - 300 = $150 that magically goes somewhere? I wonder if it means Vega XTX will ship at 649$. That would be best case given 500$ 1080's... or it's even worse. Maybe the numbers mean nothing and they were just conjuring things out of nowhere and putting a number on it. Maybe the added cost has partly to do with the extra PSU wattage needed. We don't know,

RTG has been completely silent on any information after making us wait a year and a half and the only pieces of information we have had out so far is that it's on par with some card, maybe even as badly as a 1070, considering the Nvidia system lagged behind a bit in the first showcase. For all we know, Vega XTX ships at 550$ competing with a 1070. We just don't know because RTG refuses to tell anyone anything and has led with things like 'POOR VOLTA' and then nothing.

Edit: Now that I think about it, 550$ for the RX Vega XTX could be accurate. But again, we don't know.

Also, I vote we change 'It's sinking like the titanic!" to It's sinking faster than RX VEGA" Or
VëgaDözer™ /S

Honestly, I don't want to rip on Vega... but it's a big disappointment. I was going to buy two of them if they were at least somewhat close to a 1080Ti and use those for a 4k gaming rig around X-mas time.
 
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Originally Posted by Zorngodofall View Post

.... let's hope the 300$ figure was translated bad or something or it was just something wrong, because 150$ delta over 1080 would be really, really bad. Also, you also do need a beefier PSU for Vega than you would a 1080 so that has to be taken into account too.
Or maybe - Vega puts out $150 more gaming performance with functional drivers and a matched bios. Which they have in waiting for release day. (quiet tapping of tiny drums)
 
#25 ·
Boy how the expectations have changed.

I remember back in fall when RX 480 was launched and was performing well in DX12 and Vulcan many were expecting Vega to hit soon and put nVidia in a tough spot for a while.

Sadly for them Vega got delayed enough for nVidia to release the 1080 Ti and assure they have the High-End covered for a year or two, even with a high price.

What's left for AMD at this point seems to be the mainstream and casual market, but these are markets you have to hit early with well priced products. Even if they launch products competing with GTX 1080 and down, they're going to be a year late to this party and without cheaper prices to entice those still holding on to older cards -they're not going to do well.

These marketing stunts that purposely avoid putting clear numbers down are further hurting them. It's also very unlikely that with all of these delays there is still a 'magical' driver that would turn things around.

I think right now the only chance for AMD is to release something close to GTX 1080 performance, while cheaper than a GTX 1070. Only aggressive pricing could save them if they fail to compete performance wise.
 
#26 ·
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Originally Posted by XenoRad View Post

Boy how the expectations have changed.

I remember back in fall when RX 480 was launched and was performing well in DX12 and Vulcan many were expecting Vega to hit soon and put nVidia in a tough spot for a while.

Sadly for them Vega got delayed enough for nVidia to release the 1080 Ti and assure they have the High-End covered for a year or two, even with a high price.

What's left for AMD at this point seems to be the mainstream and casual market, but these are markets you have to hit early with well priced products. Even if they launch products competing with GTX 1080 and down, they're going to be a year late to this party and without cheaper prices to entice those still holding on to older cards -they're not going to do well.

These marketing stunts that purposely avoid putting clear numbers down are further hurting them. It's also very unlikely that with all of these delays there is still a 'magical' driver that would turn things around.

I think right now the only chance for AMD is to release something close to GTX 1080 performance, while cheaper than a GTX 1070. Only aggressive pricing could save them if they fail to compete performance wise.
They cant aggressively price Vega. You have the worst scenarios, expensive HBM 2 and a huge monolithic die. Both of these is anything but cheap.
 
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