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ASUS ROG Strix X370-F - Trying to hit higher RAM speeds

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My friend has this motherboard so I am posting for him. Interesting issue he's having. He is using a Ryzen 7 1700 and 4 x 8GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200 MHz RAM.

When he updated the BIOS to 0808, he had no issues running all four sticks of RAM at 3200 MHz, manufacturer's rated timings and voltage. The latest BIOS, 0809, broke it and now it won't even boot with 2800 MHz (but does boot with 2133 MHz, he didn't try anything in between). Flashing the BIOS back to 0808 did not fix the issue.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to at least get some of that RAM speed back? What BIOS tweaks do you suggest from here? The CPU is not even overclocked at this point.

Another question: what is the best way to control VCore for CPU overclocking? Setting it manually at least above 1.3v locks the CPU to 1.5 GHz. Would using VCore offset instead bypass the issue? If so, which setting to increase? VCore offset on this board has two settings: VCore Sign and VCore Offset, what is VCore Sign (if that is indeed what it is called, he is not 100% sure)?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to get the RAM to run CLOSE to its rated speeds without falling back to just 2 sticks.
 
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

If flashing BIOs back to 0808 then he likely needs to fully clear CMOS. There's likely some retained settings for subtimings.

Also it might be a corrupt Windows.

edit: also another user here on OCN reported that their non-X CPU didn't adjust he T_die properly in the 0808 BIOs. http://www.overclock.net/t/1634773/asus-rog-strix-x370-f-gaming-too-low-r7-1700-cpu-temperature-readings

edit2: there is now a BIOS 0810
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-X370-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_Download/
Thanks, we'll see how this goes. First he'll clear the CMOS on 0808, if that doesn't work then he'll try 0810.
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Originally Posted by sufiyan1994 View Post

I dont know about vcore sign, there's only Manual and Offset mode for cpu oc. If cpu is getting locked at 1.5ghz, try p-state Overclock
P-State overclocking seems annoying, but he'll go that route if necessary, thanks. Wasn't aware of this method.
 
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Originally Posted by boredgunner View Post

Another question: what is the best way to control VCore for CPU overclocking? Setting it manually at least above 1.3v locks the CPU to 1.5 GHz. Would using VCore offset instead bypass the issue? If so, which setting to increase? VCore offset on this board has two settings: VCore Sign and VCore Offset, what is VCore Sign (if that is indeed what it is called, he is not 100% sure)?

Thanks in advance. Just trying to get the RAM to run CLOSE to its rated speeds without falling back to just 2 sticks.
I can't comment on the Ram because I had a 1600X on the X370F and wasn't having the memory issue with that bios. I also was using a 2x8 kit so it's less likely that I would have issues anyway.

As far as the getting locked at a lower speed when you set a manual voltage. My experience with this motherboard, was using offset voltage will resolve that issue.

Also Pstates on this motherboard aren't really an issue and to be honest my feeling was that Pstates are all it really has. Why? Well the manual voltage thing I believe is a classic issue if you are using Pstates. I honestly can't remember but I know offset voltage is generally used with PStates.

You also can't simply set a Pstate like with the CH6 where you can manually type it in. For example I think 9C was what I used for 3.9... You have to use the +/- just like you do with the supposed "manual multiplier" and watch the adjusted MHz to see where you are at. So even in the first box where you +/- through multipliers... I believe is actually the same thing with a different representation.

I could be wrong but that was the feeling I got with this board.
 
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Have a similar kind of issue with this board.
CPU is Ryzen 1700 and the RAM is Gskill F4-3200C14D-16GVK.
On both 809 and 810 BIOS versions I can not boot into windows at 3200 frequency at all.
I can only get around 2600 if DOCP 5 is selected in BIOS and the memory frequency is set manually (but that is the maximum I can reach).
No problems with ram speeds lower than that, even with very tight timings (2400 at 11-10-10-10-22 for example, which is what my ram is currently set at, with the CPU at 3,65 with ASUS' TPU I settings).
Biggest issue however is the 0 degree Celsius reporting in the BIOS as CPU temp.
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Originally Posted by Arghuin View Post

Have a similar kind of issue with this board.
CPU is Ryzen 1700 and the RAM is Gskill F4-3200C14D-16GVK.
On both 809 and 810 BIOS versions I can not boot into windows at 3200 frequency at all.
I can only get around 2600 if DOCP 5 is selected in BIOS and the memory frequency is set manually (but that is the maximum I can reach).
No problems with ram speeds lower than that, even with very tight timings (2400 at 11-10-10-10-22 for example, which is what my ram is currently set at, with the CPU at 3,65 with ASUS' TPU I settings).
Biggest issue however is the 0 degree Celsius reporting in the BIOS as CPU temp.
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You need to flip the "sense mi skew" option in 0810 if you have it.

That's what changes the 20 degree offset for non-X CPUs.

Also you need to check your RAM + SOC voltage
 
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Sadly, no such thing as "sense mi skew" option in 810 (I'm assuming it would be under the Ai Tweaker settings?). Didn't find it in 809 either.
Also, the CPU temp gets reported after a BIOS reset, but it drops back down to zero degrees after a reboot or a "save and reset settings".
This is a stupid bug to have, especially seeing as it can directly affect fan speeds in the system (went into Q-Fan settings and set a manual profile for the CPU fan, as well as changed the association of case fans to PCH/motherboard temps instead of the CPU one...)
SOC voltage is 1.05, RAM voltage is 1.35
 
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As a riskier option, if running a Ryzen 7 1700 you can try the modded BIOS


http://www.overclock.net/t/1633955/bios-mod-asus-prime-x370-pro-asus-strix-x370-f-gaming
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Strix X370-F Gaming:
Bios starts at default in "Advanced Mode"
Added SenseMISkew (AiTweaker)
Unlocked AMD CBS (Advanced)
- Zen Common Options
- DF Common Options
- UMC Common Options
- NBIO Common Options
AMD CBS is unlocked in the official Bios 0810
Frankly I wouldn't but if you can't return the board...
 
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Originally Posted by Arghuin View Post

Have a similar kind of issue with this board.
CPU is Ryzen 1700 and the RAM is Gskill F4-3200C14D-16GVK.
On both 809 and 810 BIOS versions I can not boot into windows at 3200 frequency at all.
I can only get around 2600 if DOCP 5 is selected in BIOS and the memory frequency is set manually (but that is the maximum I can reach).
No problems with ram speeds lower than that, even with very tight timings (2400 at 11-10-10-10-22 for example, which is what my ram is currently set at, with the CPU at 3,65 with ASUS' TPU I settings).
Biggest issue however is the 0 degree Celsius reporting in the BIOS as CPU temp.
frown.gif
I have the exact same setup and problem so I wrote G.skill and they told me to:
Clear CMOS prior to booting
Enable "D.O.C.P. 1"
Set ram frequency to 2933
apu frequency: 100.000

and that worked but still no CPU temp. and I know it's not 3200MHz but it is still better than 2600
biggrin.gif

ASUS wrote me this after I explained the problem:

The temp sensor thing is a bug and it will be adressed in a future bios update.
Regarding the ram, the XMP profiles for the ryzen mobos do not work that well currently
(well thx a lot for that help ASUS)

I hope that future bios update will help this problem
 
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Originally Posted by pttaq View Post

I have the exact same setup and problem so I wrote G.skill and they told me to:
Clear CMOS prior to booting
Enable "D.O.C.P. 1"
Set ram frequency to 2933
apu frequency: 100.000

and that worked but still no CPU temp. and I know it's not 3200MHz but it is still better than 2600
biggrin.gif

ASUS wrote me this after I explained the problem:

The temp sensor thing is a bug and it will be adressed in a future bios update.
Regarding the ram, the XMP profiles for the ryzen mobos do not work that well currently
(well thx a lot for that help ASUS)

I hope that future bios update will help this problem
There is a beta BIOS out apparently, in the ASUS forums which adds the option in the BIOS. Link to the forum thread:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?94860-asus-rog-strix-x370-not-able-to-show-correct-temperatures-for-the-cpu-in-windows-10/page2

As for DOCP settings Im really not convinced they work as intended. That said, is there an online resource/manual for this board somewhere that explains all, or at least the vast majority of the BIOS options?
 
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Originally Posted by pttaq View Post

I have the exact same setup and problem so I wrote G.skill and they told me to:
Clear CMOS prior to booting
Enable "D.O.C.P. 1"
Set ram frequency to 2933
apu frequency: 100.000

and that worked but still no CPU temp. and I know it's not 3200MHz but it is still better than 2600
biggrin.gif

ASUS wrote me this after I explained the problem:

The temp sensor thing is a bug and it will be adressed in a future bios update.
Regarding the ram, the XMP profiles for the ryzen mobos do not work that well currently
(well thx a lot for that help ASUS)

I hope that future bios update will help this problem
Thanks a ton! This gets the RAM working at 2933 MHz with the CPU at stock speeds. Next step is to overclock it and try to keep that RAM speed.
 
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Originally Posted by Arghuin View Post

How did you go about clearing the CMOS on the board?
What timings do you use at 2933 with this ram?
He cleared the CMOS by using a screwdriver to short the pins. As for timings, they're all on auto. This guy is a noob-I'm not the owner of these parts, I'm asking for him. Although based on the results he gets, these parts WILL be mine since we'll trade (except he'll trade me an X370 Crosshair Hero instead if it proves better).
 
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Originally Posted by boredgunner View Post

He cleared the CMOS by using a screwdriver to short the pins. As for timings, they're all on auto. This guy is a noob-I'm not the owner of these parts, I'm asking for him. Although based on the results he gets, these parts WILL be mine since we'll trade (except he'll trade me an X370 Crosshair Hero instead if it proves better).
Thanks!

One more question: how do you know that CMOS has been cleared? The settings will be back at defaults when you enter the BIOS?
 
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Originally Posted by Arghuin View Post

Thanks!

One more question: how do you know that CMOS has been cleared? The settings will be back at defaults when you enter the BIOS?
Indeed. Hopefully tomorrow we'll find out if the system can do 3.9 GHz with at least 2933 MHz RAM.
 
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Originally Posted by st0neh View Post

You should get a message on next boot telling you to fix the BIOS or something similar to let you know it reset.
Yep, did that.

Sadly no joy, system gets stuck during the boot-up sequence with the VGA diagnostic LED (from the 4-LED system) staying lit.
Gfx card is an MSI R9 290x Gaming back from 2014...think there could be a compatibility issue?
 
#25 ·
I have the same issue, i just bought the x370-f but the ramspeed is horrible. Can't get higher then 2133 with corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16, which is on the memory vendor list. I run the r7 1700. I dont know what the problem is. I wanna return the cpu for the x version, hoping it might solve something.
 
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Originally Posted by FyX View Post

I have the same issue, i just bought the x370-f but the ramspeed is horrible. Can't get higher then 2133 with corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16, which is on the memory vendor list. I run the r7 1700. I dont know what the problem is. I wanna return the cpu for the x version, hoping it might solve something.
Did you try what pttaq suggested in post #16?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1635734/asus-rog-strix-x370-f-trying-to-hit-higher-ram-speeds/10#post_26275022
 
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