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Yeah, but I think it's a different temperature than just core since I saw it throttling even when it wasn't close to the temp/power limits, do fury/polaris cards show the hotspot temp. now in gpuz?
No but that is the equivalent of the VRM temperature probably
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What has been bad for AMD is that they were caught and then surpassed by nvidia in the clockspeed game, AMD have made good move with Vega but as I've seen firsthand with the throttling and power issues, they still have a ways to go. It isn't bad for Vega to have similar performance at fury clocks if it can hit 1.7Ghz comfortably and has the HBM2 to back it up
VEGA is just building with a limited/bottlenecked GPU which architecture changes keep its bottleneck AMD is trying to cut on ROPs bby adding optimization but the increased clock speed makes that bottleneck as bad if no worse
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The clock speed game is easier on a only gaming architecture like nvidia does since Fermi days and a excellent software team that backs up everything that is taken out from the gpu (hardware scheduling ie) while pushing their framework to developers halting everything else the industry want to use, enforcing every single developer to just program based on their gpus because "hey, we are the market!"
Fermi was a compute oriented architecture, like GCN but Nvidia decided to make segments for gaming and compute since kepler cutting heavily compute resource on gaming cards, AMD hasnt entered the game because few resources for production and then Software team is just good enough to deliver driver optimizations not keep supporting features on eveyr single scenario
Edited by PontiacGTX - 9/18/17 at 8:01am
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The clock speed game is easier on a only gaming architecture like nvidia does since Fermi days and a excellent software team that backs up everything that is taken out from the gpu (hardware scheduling ie) while pushing their framework to developers halting everything else the industry want to use, enforcing every single developer to just program based on their gpus because "hey, we are the market!"

So you think that developers don't appreciate NVIDIA's "excellent software team that backs up everything" (your words) that makes life easier for them? rolleyes.gif

Another thing is who, pray tell, uses any of AMD's more pie-in-the-sky initiatives (classic example: TrueAudio) without being either paid or given dedicated software engineering support?

Lastly, NVIDIA isn't pushing a protection racket. If some developer doesn't want NVIDIA's support on something and wants to use some other technology, it's not like NVIDIA subsequently sets their building on fire...
Edited by svenge - 9/18/17 at 7:50am
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So you think that developers don't appreciate NVIDIA's "excellent software team that backs up everything" (your words) that makes life easier for them? rolleyes.gif

Another thing is who, pray tell, uses any of AMD's more pie-in-the-sky initiatives (classic example: TrueAudio) without being either paid or given dedicated software engineering support?

Lastly, NVIDIA isn't pushing a protection racket. If some developer doesn't want NVIDIA's support on something and wants to use some other technology, it's not like NVIDIA subsequently sets their building on fire...

I'm not interested in a dispute regarding this

My job is managing ERPs, I'm not a game developer and I will never be so I can't say who is giving them the better environment without going in the "just take some air to the mouth" behaviour which internet is fullfilled...... but saying that I was referring to first, driver team, and then the gameworks and all his evolutions....

Just keeping in mind the TW3 story were both amd and kepler cards were skrewed up in first published reviews (is what everybody here say it is important, right? the "first hour" review) becasue "ewe could not dig into the code" as AMD complained..... now multiply it for the 90% of the market...........

RTG was doing a very good job in the last years... I read more nvidia users complaining of set of drivers than amd honestly in the last 2 years..... they were releasing drivers as the "gameready" policy of nvidia, crimson panel, new features blablabla ....... now they are just stuck to Vega and the resources are limited.....

So?

Dunno, but for sure if someone is spending time optimizing for gamesworks is not doing the same for amd side, that's why you don't have anything else except DX11 title (again...) , some DX12 patched title developed from DX11 engine and very few vulkan titles which run great on both competitors.... imho this is only damaging vg industry..... except consoles.....
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I'm not interested in a dispute regarding this

Then stop posting nonsense like that.
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At a guess (speculation):
There are signs of some sort of respin/change that might hit Vega:

PCIe 4.0 is expected to be release in the next few months. AMD is usually pretty good at keeping up with PCIe revisions.
AMD hasn't release the Vega Nano as of yet. When Fury nano came out that was one of the first cards release
No word on what Vega 10 is as of yet. By now we should all know for certain that Vega 10 is either a rebranded Polaris or replacement. But lips are tighly sealed on this...Odd indeed.
Not a lot of supply in the wild out there. Yeah, production can be to blame but it could also allow to clear out existing inventory for new product skus.
Raja leaves AMD with no oversight to Vega11/Vega10 for several months.
No word on all the enhancements that was suppose to be in Vega 10.
And most importantly, Raja has no oversight on their New APU, Raven Ridge. Inwhich some derivative of it should make it's rounds to next gen consoles at some future date.

Yes, this is just speculation but to me, the conditions are rip for a revision.
Edited by EastCoast - 9/19/17 at 7:16am
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Massdrop has the Sapphire Rx Vega 64 listed. I don't know what's happening with them now, they are listing the card at $750 MSRP (card only) and selling for $650. Sold 0 cards so far (about 8 hours). I'm happy to see that - the only way you're going to see prices start to drop back to near MSRP is if people stop paying these outrageous prices.
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Massdrop has the Sapphire Rx Vega 64 listed. I don't know what's happening with them now, they are listing the card at $750 MSRP (card only) and selling for $650. Sold 0 cards so far (about 8 hours). I'm happy to see that - the only way you're going to see prices start to drop back to near MSRP is if people stop paying these outrageous prices.

Not the gamers fault for the prices but the miners buying up supply no matter the price.

The only ones that loose are the budget concious gamers that can’t afford midrange GPU’s anymore because the cards that used to be $150- $300 are now $250-$400.

Even if gamers were to stop buying outrageous priced cards miners will still buy and prices will stay the same. All we can hope for is a mining crash and the market swamped with cheap used GPU’s.
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Well performance wise that looks bad... I'd like to see temperatures and noise in comparison to the reference card.
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It's not $399 but XFX Vega 56 is only for sale on the Egg for $519 with combo only. But they list Castle Wolfenstein for Free in the combo. Not too bad considering their competitor cards are much more.

XFX Radeon RX Vega 56 RX-VEGMLBFX6 8GB 2048-Bit HBM2 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support Video Card - Black Design

Wish I had the cash right now since I don't have CWII. But thought I would let people know. thumb.gif

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