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post #1291 of 2017
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OP has had:-

i) Section VRM info updated.
ii) Section The Stilt's modified unofficial UEFI added (hopefully we will see more releases from The Stilt wink.gif ).
iii) Section FAQ added voltage recommendation posted in thread by The Stilt.
iv) Section PState OC added.

Now looking for suggestions on improving section Cooling Threadripper.

My opinion from @nycgtr experience share is the XSPC Raystorm Neo is the current front runner for best water block for ThreadRipper. The Bykski A-Ryzen-Th-X seems 2nd best and the Phanteks Glacier C399a closely following it from @chew* testing. EK TR seems adequate for stock operation, but not so great in comparison to the other blocks when overclocking. So this is trailing "the pack".
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post #1292 of 2017
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@subscribers

OP has had:-

i) Section VRM info updated.
ii) Section The Stilt's modified unofficial UEFI added (hopefully we will see more releases from The Stilt wink.gif ).
iii) Section FAQ added voltage recommendation posted in thread by The Stilt.
iv) Section PState OC added.

Now looking for suggestions on improving section Cooling Threadripper.

My opinion from @nycgtr experience share is the XSPC Raystorm Neo is the current front runner for best water block for ThreadRipper. The Bykski A-Ryzen-Th-X seems 2nd best and the Phanteks Glacier C399a closely following it from @chew* testing. EK TR seems adequate for stock operation, but not so great in comparison to the other blocks when overclocking. So this is trailing "the pack".

Pretty much my experience with 2 ek blocks on 2 diff boards with 2 diff 1950x. Stock operation is fine. Going to for 3.9/4ghz brings the heat. I have the monoblock on order. I will post results when it comes in, I ordered it the moment it came up on their site before announcement so I should be one of the first batch.
post #1293 of 2017
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Sweet smile.gif , look forward to your results share thumb.gif .

I just splurged on RX VEGA 64, didn't get on with the MSI GTX 1080 EK X. Nvidia boost 3.0 was sweet, card was boosting to ~1975MHz without manual OC'ing. EK GPU block temps good even with TR in same loop. F@H was nice PPD and power efficient. What killed it for me was missing variable refresh rate tech. Didn't want the hassle of selling MG279Q and getting a G-Sync version. So opted for RX VEGA 64.

IMO seems like best deal I may see this side of Christmas on VEGA. GigaByte RX VEGA 64 Limited Edition £515 delivered, ~£11 cashback, got Prey and Wolfenstein II with it (worth ~£40 in my estimates, so card is net ~£465 IMO). OCuk had EK VEGA block on weekly promo for £90 so ordered that as well.

Currently GPU less redface.gif . Sold Fury X at no loss, GTX 1080 I got a bit more than I paid for it so made the jump to VEGA more viable.
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post #1294 of 2017
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I just got a Kingston DCP1000 800GB PCIe Drive. Anyone else out there using one? I am just trying to use it as a Data Drive, not bootable. Windows 10 does see it, and I can see the 4 M.2's and can format and use them. But I want to RAID them and according to Kingston, you have to SW RAID in Windows using the Manage Storage Pools. I can select the drives but when I go to create the array, I get an error message that is unable to do so and to check my drive connections.

The ZE does recognize it as a x8 device and I did configure the BIOS to (I am using Slot 4) to set it as a x8 device. The system boots and all is well as 4 individual drives (very fast !!!!) . But unable to RAID.

I do have a dialog going with Tech Support at Kingston, but thought I might check with you guys as well.

Anyone? Buhler, Buhler, Buhler? Anyone, Anyone? :-)

Just FYI -
Slot 1 1080Ti, x16
Slot 4 1080Ti x16
Slot 2 Intel 750 1.2 PCie x8
Slot 3 ASUS 10GB NIC x4
Slot 6 Kingston DCP1000 x8

Update: I found the solution:

You have to go into the Device Manager and Disable each of the DCP1000 drives. Then reboot the system and the re - Enable the drives. Windows was then able to create the Storage Pool .

Check out these Read/Write speeds....
Edited by Ronsanut - 10/20/17 at 6:24pm
post #1295 of 2017
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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post

tCTL is the real sensor, tDIE is not.

tDIE is tCTL with the temperature offset deducted, 27°C in the case of TR. So ref tDIE to know actual CPU temperature with offset removed.

Look at heading temp info in my Ryzen Essential thread.

No. tDIE is the real sensor, and tCTL is the fake one. Wanna know why? Take a 1700 and a 1700X (They're practically identical except the X has XFR self-overclocking) and put them at some identical very low volt and very low clock and compare tCTL and tDIE. tDIE should be almost the same (should be very close to ambient) but the tCTL will mysteriously be 17C higher on the 1700X. The purpose of tCTL is for more aggressive automatic fan curve to support its self-overclocking XFR

edit: Ok, tCTL is probably the real sensor, but with an artifical number added to it depending on the model (0 for non-X ryzens, +17 for X ryzens, and +27 for threadripper), because my scenario should still hold true.
Edited by ssateneth - 10/20/17 at 8:13pm
post #1296 of 2017
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No. tDIE is the real sensor, and tCTL is the fake one. Wanna know why? Take a 1700 and a 1700X (They're practically identical except the X has XFR self-overclocking) and put them at some identical very low volt and very low clock and compare tCTL and tDIE. tDIE should be almost the same (should be very close to ambient) but the tCTL will mysteriously be 17C higher on the 1700X. The purpose of tCTL is for more aggressive automatic fan curve to support its self-overclocking XFR

I use HWINFO avidly, more hours than many members shares. I also have good rapport with Martin Malik (aka Mumak on OCN) author of HWINFO.

When I got Ryzen/C6H at launch I did a lot of testing and passed info to Mumak, as he didn't have Ryzen on C6H at the time. He was able to liaise with ASUS and sort some issues at that time. This was ~March 17, in a private message which I will not share the contents. He asked me my view if HWINFO should show two values for CPU temperature. One would be tCTL and other tDIE, tDIE would account for the offset that AMD added to tCTL. I agreed with his way forward, I'm sure he will verify the occurrence of the discussion for you if you like wink.gif .

So as said before tCTL is the real sensor, tDIE is tCTL with offset accounted (ie removed).

The reason Martin went with this route was if board vendors/AMD changed tCTL behavior (ie accounted for offset on X CPU) the user could hide tDIE and use tCTL. If tCTL never changed than users could see as AMD/board vendor have and use tDIE.

Here is a post for you to ref within the C6H thread around when these discussions/implementations happened. Here is a search result of the thread with posts from Mumak regarding tCTL from that thread for you to ref.

tCTL can be skewed on ZE and C6H, thus tDIE will be skewed, other boards I have no idea as I have not used. If Sense MI Skew [Auto] defaults to Enabled or it is manually set as [Enabled], the offset for Sense MI Skew can be changed in UEFI.

If Sense MI Skew [Auto] defaults to [Disabled] or is manually set as such you will have AMD AGESA default behavior for tCTL.

Then on C6H/ZE the Super IO chip reads tCTL for fan control purposes. This also can be manipulated by UEFI programing and can have "weighting" for operation, this post by Elmor on C6H has some insight (point 2).

I have owned 3x R7 1700 and 2x R7 1800X and used on same C6H with UEFI from launch til now, so have experience of how they behaved. I am aware of the purpose of tCTL and the offset present, but I know what tDIE is in HWINFO for sure smile.gif .
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post #1297 of 2017
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So as said before tCTL is the real sensor, tDIE is tCTL with offset accounted (ie removed).

The reason Martin went with this route was if board vendors/AMD changed tCTL behavior (ie accounted for offset on X CPU) the user could hide tDIE and use tCTL. If tCTL never changed than users could see as AMD/board vendor have and use tDIE.


I think framing this as a correct vs. incorrect sensor argument will lead people into the weeds. Since the two are correlated 1.00, and only have a linear offset, any decision making differences is just a matter of using different thresholds. This is exactly AMD's argument for using tCTL that they state in their own community blog:

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/13/amd-ryzen-community-update

So, when we phrase the question in terms of which index is the correct one to USE, it doesn't matter, as long as you correct for the offset when setting your thresholds. (i.e, your internal "boy that's too hot!" number needs to be shifted).

I think if the argument moves to which is the "actual-honest-to-god temperature on that chip", AMD themselves say that tDIE is the answer. I certainly see why many have decided to use tCTL, or showing different results on HWINFO and other programs, to give the users more information, but that doesn't change the actual kinetic energy in the electrons at the sensor level.
post #1298 of 2017
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Pretty much my experience with 2 ek blocks on 2 diff boards with 2 diff 1950x. Stock operation is fine. Going to for 3.9/4ghz brings the heat. I have the monoblock on order. I will post results when it comes in, I ordered it the moment it came up on their site before announcement so I should be one of the first batch.

Wow, this has me reconsidering my entire water build. Just bought the EK water blocks for CPU and two 1080tis . And some of these EK block numbers don't look much different from my current Enermax TR4 360 performance. So a trade for a MORE expensive water cooled operation that translates into LESS thermal performance? Hmmm...
post #1299 of 2017
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AFAIK AMD as such have not used term tDIE. Tj° on AMD link is same as tDIE in HWINFO.

When using a 1700 on C6H HWINFO will not show a separate value (as it should be), originally the label was just tCTL and later became tCTL/tDIE, in a way to show it's the same and no offset present.

Any how as long as "we" know what is what that is all that matters, so I agree it doesn't matter which "we" use.
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Wow, this has me reconsidering my entire water build. Just bought the EK water blocks for CPU and two 1080tis . And some of these EK block numbers don't look much different from my current Enermax TR4 360 performance. So a trade for a MORE expensive water cooled operation that translates into LESS thermal performance? Hmmm...

IF you can return it return it and get the xspc. Its 20 bucks more but well worth it.
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