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post #1711 of 1983
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Originally Posted by Phobos223 View Post

Hey all! Just picked up my 1950x and a Zenith, and have not decided on the RAM yet. I figured I would try to fire it up with 16gb quad kit I had in an x99 system and well, long story shot, the only way it will post is if I use only the B DIMMs (2 furthest right from CPU) . Any other combination fails...either doesn't post,or it boots, resets, boots, resets, infinite loop...

I have latest BIOS and actually installed windows with the B slots filled and find it very stable... RAM is Corsiar Dominator 2666Mhz CMD16GX4M4A2666C16

I seem to have stumbled onto the memory issue that everyone in the world seems to be having with these boards (from what I read).

I have been reading and testing for hours, but can someone just PM me and let me know what you have that works. I am looking to get 64GB (8x8), not really concerned about speed, but would like to be close to 3000mhz without having to do anything to crazy.... I am just too busy these days to tinker as much as I used to but I would like to get this thing running as soon as possible.

Thanks!!

Welcome. See my post above, I'm on to OC'ing.
I have 128 GB of GSKill RGB Trident Z. F4-2933C16Q2-128GTZRX
Pricey, and I needed the full 128GB, but I can report that these worked basically right out of the gate (I had other issues that were unrelated to RAM--as far I can tell). Anyway, they are great so far. The "X" at the end of the SKU refers to the GSkill's claim that they were tested specifically for TR.
post #1712 of 1983
I bought this works fine Corsair CMK128GX4M8Z2933C16 Vengeance LPX 128GB (8x16GB) DDR4 2933 (PC4-23400) C16 desktop memory for AMD Threadripper
post #1713 of 1983
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Originally Posted by Phobos223 View Post

Hey all! Just picked up my 1950x and a Zenith, and have not decided on the RAM yet. I figured I would try to fire it up with 16gb quad kit I had in an x99 system and well, long story shot, the only way it will post is if I use only the B DIMMs (2 furthest right from CPU) . Any other combination fails...either doesn't post,or it boots, resets, boots, resets, infinite loop...

I have latest BIOS and actually installed windows with the B slots filled and find it very stable... RAM is Corsiar Dominator 2666Mhz CMD16GX4M4A2666C16

I seem to have stumbled onto the memory issue that everyone in the world seems to be having with these boards (from what I read).

I have been reading and testing for hours, but can someone just PM me and let me know what you have that works. I am looking to get 64GB (8x8), not really concerned about speed, but would like to be close to 3000mhz without having to do anything to crazy.... I am just too busy these days to tinker as much as I used to but I would like to get this thing running as soon as possible.

Thanks!!
This video will give You a thorough understanding about ram and how to overclock it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXbHRR7j98
You might be stuck at 2666 simply becuase You are overvolting somewhere and the system resets back to 2666 for safety .
post #1714 of 1983
I wonder if a x399 ROG motherboard makes sense at all, and the 10Gbit Ethernet too with such limited PCIe slots......
I think ROG branding is a too low level manufacturing standard for Threadripper and that WS branding and componentry because of the 64 3.0 PCIe lanes plus all the other ones would be best suitable, both if You would need to do a HPC machine or small data center one.

I have played tennis with friends in a small hotel room and very funny too, but Wimbledon is not taking place in kitchens.

Is there any reason why, You think that at Asus, they have become so incompetent and low quality/functionality/componentry and especially design for x399?!...
post #1715 of 1983
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Originally Posted by Aby67 View Post

I wonder if a x399 ROG motherboard makes sense at all, and the 10Gbit Ethernet too with such limited PCIe slots......
I think ROG branding is a too low level manufacturing standard for Threadripper and that WS branding and componentry because of the 64 3.0 PCIe lanes plus all the other ones would be best suitable, both if You would need to do a HPC machine or small data center one.

I have played tennis with friends in a small hotel room and very funny too, but Wimbledon is not taking place in kitchens.

Is there any reason why, You think that at Asus, they have become so incompetent and low quality/functionality/componentry and especially design for x399?!...

Is there any X399 MB that have x16-x16-x16-x16 at all? My Asrock x399 fatality pro have 16-8-16-8 too frown.gif
post #1716 of 1983
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Is there any X399 MB that have x16-x16-x16-x16 at all? My Asrock x399 fatality pro have 16-8-16-8 too frown.gif
No there's no boards with x16 in all four slots and with good reason. The CPU is 60+4 not 64. So if all PCI-E slots were x16 they wouldn't all function at that speed anyway. 4 are reserved for the chipset regardless.
    
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post #1717 of 1983
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Is there any X399 MB that have x16-x16-x16-x16 at all? My Asrock x399 fatality pro have 16-8-16-8 too frown.gif
You cannot run x16 more than 3 times for threadripper and 6 times for EPYC, but what an ideal Threadripper motherboard should be like is.

For threadripper
Pcie 16 x8
Pcie 16 x16
Pcie 16 x8
Pcie 16 x16
Pcie 16 x8
Pcie 16 x16
Pcie 16 x4

This would be the ideal layout giving the maximum flexibility, especially now that high end GPus are sold without VGA port allowing for single slot solution.
You can then run 3 gpus at x16 or 6 at x8, or tons of M.2 or whatever you need for your workflow.

You would need also dual 10 gigabit Ethernet in the rear IO.
10 phaze VRms with super high end capacitors, with decent finned old school heat sink.

For Epyc
I would like to see a 9/10 slot motherboard capable of hosting 8 gpus even if wired 4 wired at x16 and other 4 wired at 8...as there are chassis that would allow up to 10 slots PCIe.

Personally I would also like the rear socket back plate to have the screw mounts to add a heat sink or even a water block to it, as heat does transfer through the pcb and screw mounts allowing installation of a block in the rear could also help cool down the Vrms actively, because this CPU and a 32 core variant that will sooner or later come into the market, will generate tons of heat...all the SOC CPU ram need absolute perfect voltage for stability and currently Voltage regulation is not so refined on ROG motherboards.

I think proposing and offering a ROG motherboard for threadripper, instead of offering right from day 1 a WS threadripper and EPYC motherboard is from a certain angle really offensive to the intelligence of Asus clients.....
I think that no one here wants to be treated like a consumer idiot when it comes to HEDT or workstations because We work with this stuff, and we are extremely informed on the hardware capabilities and what they are designed for.

Designing and Aura themed ROG x399 motherboard just proves that at ASUS they think of clients as idiots to push crap and put money into their pockets thinking of them as idiots.
The point being that even if at Asus they are in good faith, and I hope they are, it is evident that they have no idea at all what AMD CPUs are about, which makes things even worse

EK is the same story...We as clients should some what say...how dare You even consider offering us such products, if We were in a old timer mentality world.......but at the same time, all these companies are trying taking too much advantage over the client.

I can understand that things can cost more for ASUS to make a decent Epyc or threadripper motherboard, but then We would be willing to spend more for a decent product instead of having to pay prime price for a dual 10 Gbit card and freaking horrible Aura Leds.
I can also understand that some peole do not need all these expansion slots, just offer a micro atx for those clients who just need to stream videos with top of the notch components that can let them overclock to the tin if needed.....
But there is a ton of people that will buy Threadripper or Epyc to run at least 4 1080tis or Titans or even GP/GV100 Quadros on Hbm2 hoping to have a solution to stick 6 of them instead of having again to go on Intel and get a dual socket motherboard or 8 gpu server.

That being said ROG motherboard for x399 can make sense when PCIe gen 4 will come out, as even gamers will be able to run multiple GPus for gaming without SLI...eg 4 5 6 gtx 1050ti or 4 1060s...at Nvidia they are very well aware of this and this is why they are pushing AI so much for their High end Gpus, because with PCie gen 4 gamers will only buy many low end ones rather than a single high end GPU
Edited by Aby67 - 11/19/17 at 10:56pm
post #1718 of 1983
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Hi guys, i have a 8 sticks of gskill trident z rgb 2400mhz. Running at stock speed of 2133mhz is fine.

But the moment if i set to xmp on, every cold boot it will turn on and off, and on again and boot as per normal. Its been since day 1 till the latest bios. Any fix for it?
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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post

When you mean cold boot, power was switched off to PSU?
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Originally Posted by royfrosty View Post

Yeap. Power was switched off to psu.

This is normal.

My C6H does this also, that has had way more UEFI updates than ZE. My M7R (Intel MB) also does this. My P5K Premium (Intel MB) from 2007 does this even if PSU has active power prior to post.

The 1st post is initialising/training board and 2nd is then full post.

If you do not remove power from PSU it will not need 2 posts.
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Originally Posted by Neonkore View Post

Thanks for your help gupsterg.

I hit 3.95GHz with 1.325V, SOC 1.03125. Memory 14-14-14-34 CR2 3200MHz. I think I can hit 4GHz with a bit more SOC but I start dropping workers very early in my tests so I've gone as far as I need to this weekend. Temp reaches 66 degrees on P95 (22 ambient). 286W package power, i'm drawing 430W from the wall (includes monitor etc). 3.9GHz at 1.3V and 1.025 is stable for 61 degrees.

This is more than enough to give a nice speed boost to my work, Vray at 100% on all cores doesn't get it hotter than 58 degrees. I'll try to get CR1 or higher 3333MHz frequency next weekend.

Nice thumb.gif , thanks for share thumb.gif .

Past few days been meddling with GPU, may come back to tweaking TR/ZE soon biggrin.gif . The Stilt's UEFI has been great for me, 3333MHz Fast has not failed to post 1x time yet biggrin.gif , always a nice single smooth post biggrin.gif .
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post #1719 of 1983
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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post

This is normal.

My C6H does this also, that has had way more UEFI updates than ZE. My M7R (Intel MB) also does this. My P5K Premium (Intel MB) from 2007 does this even if PSU has active power prior to post.

The 1st post is initialising/training board and 2nd is then full post.

If you do not remove power from PSU it will not need 2 posts.
Nice thumb.gif , thanks for share thumb.gif .

Past few days been meddling with GPU, may come back to tweaking TR/ZE soon biggrin.gif . The Stilt's UEFI has been great for me, 3333MHz Fast has not failed to post 1x time yet biggrin.gif , always a nice single smooth post biggrin.gif .
Hey there Gupsterg, what do You think of this video, do You think the same principles can be adopted for x399?
DO You think that many stuck with low ram speeds are having the issue of over voltage protection kicking in as well on Asus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXbHRR7j98&t=202s
post #1720 of 1983
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Originally Posted by mayan50 View Post

Thanks much!

Just clarifying that I believe I was at 80C including the 27C offset (I should know this but I probably would have shut down if it was 107C). So you are referring to 60C Not including the offset, correct?

Also, I do think this case is fairly inefficient in terms of cooling. It's the MeanIt 4pm which is a cube with tempered glass all around. Looks great, but I think it's starving for air intake (the side grills are very small). Tomorrow morning I will test with the face plate off.

WOOPS! Sure enough, I was at 80C TRUE temp. Ran it again with those settings, and froze. That ain't gonna work. Now trying 3.8GHz ,1.12125V...

Prime95 Torture Test Blend, stayed at 68C until about 6 min mark and then it started to run away, I shut it down at 78C.

The question is can I leave it here? I do statistical work with Stata, and can run it on all cores, but somehow I doubt I'll be taxing the TR like Prime95 is doing.
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