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[CNET] Android Oreo is here and you can get it soon

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Google decided to name this update after the Oreo cookie after several late nights at its headquarters where engineers just kept grabbing the snacks, Sagar Kamdar, Android's director of product management said.

"At our microkitchens at Google, we have Oreos all around. Our engineers just kept eating Oreos with their glasses of milk," Kamdar said.
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One of Android Oreo's biggest focuses is better battery life for the hardware running it. For example, Google will limit what apps can do after they're launched on your phone but not actively in use. For example, now apps won't be able to do as much with location updates while they're running in the background -- which can normally be a big battery suck.
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The update will be available by the end of the year on devices from handset makers including Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Essential, General Mobile, Huawei, HTC, Kyocera, LG, and Motorola. For Google devices like the Pixel phone, Nexus 5X and 6P, the update will start rolling out in phases "soon."

Pixel and Nexus owners should be the first to expect Oreo to roll out on their devices, Kamdar said. He added that Android was working with major partners to have their devices launch with Oreo or be upgraded with it before the end of 2017.

Google site with all the updates

Now who is hungry?
 
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Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post

why can't they make something as smooth as ios
ios is a stuttery mess on anything but the very latest handset, and every once in a while even on that it is a mess. The only times Android has trouble and needed help making things run smoother was back before Android 3.0, so 7 years ago and more. Guess you havent stayed up on things in a long time
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Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post

ios is a stuttery mess on anything but the very latest handset, and every once in a while even on that it is a mess. The only times Android has trouble and needed help making things run smoother was back before Android 3.0, so 7 years ago and more. Guess you havent stayed up on things in a long time
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Originally Posted by killerhz View Post

i used to think the same way for years however, ios is just as klunky as all OS's. i switched to android few years back and saying peace to ios.
I played around with the S8, laggy even compared to my 6s, can't compare to 7.
 
#9 ·
launch day any phone has its quirks, as do iphones. if you mess with an S8 in the more recent timeframe, a slew of updates has it outpacing ios again.
 
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Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post

why can't they make something as smooth as ios
because they don't have direct control over the hardware used. I agree though, I absolutely hate Apple and their phones but I'd be lying if I didn't think iOS was the smoothest damn operating system for mobile i've ever used. The layout and everything is just absolutely awful though.

Wonder if my Honor 8 is going to get it.
 
#11 ·
If only Android was actually updatable, most of the time the version you buy with your phone is the one you're stuck with so these Android updates are kind of worthless to most existing users. Probably still no native support for MTK either and to get it working on MTK devices it needs extra stuff added. Not to mention many phones are blocked even from rooting.
 
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Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post

I played around with the S8, laggy even compared to my 6s, can't compare to 7.
So I take smoothness is the only thing keeping iOS ahead? Because that is quite sad.
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

If only Android was actually updatable.
It is. Just look for a phone with a healthy custom ROM community. Xiaomi devices are updated every single week. Most Snapdragon phones have custom ROMs. Hell, I threw my old Huawei because it was a piece of junk and a year later it still was receiving updates from a couple developers.
 
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

If only Android was actually updatable, most of the time the version you buy with your phone is the one you're stuck with so these Android updates are kind of worthless to most existing users. Probably still no native support for MTK either and to get it working on MTK devices it needs extra stuff added. Not to mention many phones are blocked even from rooting.
Android O has a solution for that called Project Treble. The premise is that the AOSP image is separate from custom changes in the OS. They'll be able to patch the AOSP image without needing extra work for the custom stuff. Though, the OEMs will have to participate in that program for now.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html
 
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Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post

I played around with the S8, laggy even compared to my 6s, can't compare to 7.
My experience with the SGS8 is completely opposite of yours but I upgraded from the Galaxy S6 not iPhone 6S. The S8 is so much more responsive and snappy and I am glad I jumped on this one instead of the S7.

I am hoping Oreo delivers with better power management and improves battery life.
 
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Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post

why can't they make something as smooth as ios
spoken like someone who doesn't know that when an "app" suddenly vanishes it means it crashed. Just because iOS doesn't say it crashed doesn't mean it's ok.

I've got an iphone, had one for 4 years now. And i've seen all the buggy nonsense on the platform. I've seen it on old hardware (4S) and new (7+), in the end iOS has a lot of the same issues android does, it just doesn't tell the end user about them like android does.
 
#18 ·
The first thing that permanently goes when you update your OS is your battery life so they can sell new phones. Expect to the charge your phone 3x as much after these scam updates.

My Galaxy S4 ran fine for 3 years. Charged it once a day. The second I updated my OS, the battery drain was so bad that I had to charge it three times a day and I couldn't revert back to my old OS.

I'm never updating my current phone (S7 Edge).

Don't fall for these scams!
 
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Originally Posted by Imouto View Post

So I take smoothness is the only thing keeping iOS ahead? Because that is quite sad.
It is. Just look for a phone with a healthy custom ROM community. Xiaomi devices are updated every single week. Most Snapdragon phones have custom ROMs. Hell, I threw my old Huawei because it was a piece of junk and a year later it still was receiving updates from a couple developers.
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Originally Posted by Omega X View Post

Android O has a solution for that called Project Treble. The premise is that the AOSP image is separate from custom changes in the OS. They'll be able to patch the AOSP image without needing extra work for the custom stuff. Though, the OEMs will have to participate in that program for now.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html
The situation is not as pretty with MTK as it is with Qualcomm devices when it comes to Android support and updates. Maybe they will finally figure it out and make proper OS update feature in future OS versions. Till then they will keep selling a new phone if one wants a newer OS version, same trick as locked batteries and so on.

@i7monkey
I charge around once a week, I really can't remember and that's with 2000mAh instead of 3000mAh battery. Sure when using it a lot it can be depleted in a day but with a decent quality battery such as with new 3000mAh it could play full brightness 4.5h 1080p x264 high bitrate PC quality video. The screen IMHO seems to be the biggest power eater on my phone, it can just be sitting doing nothing with screen turned ON and battery goes down and down at least that's what power consumption indicates.

Check for update, "your system is up to date", right 2014 version up to date
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Way to go Google.
 
#20 ·
Pixel XL here.

They definitely improved startup time, 13 seconds.

 
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Originally Posted by dieanotherday View Post

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Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post

ios is a stuttery mess on anything but the very latest handset, and every once in a while even on that it is a mess. The only times Android has trouble and needed help making things run smoother was back before Android 3.0, so 7 years ago and more. Guess you havent stayed up on things in a long time
tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by killerhz View Post

i used to think the same way for years however, ios is just as klunky as all OS's. i switched to android few years back and saying peace to ios.
I played around with the S8, laggy even compared to my 6s, can't compare to 7.
Stop using TouchWiz then, it's the worst Android skin of them all. Find an HTC if they're even available where you're at and try Sense, or an LG.
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

If only Android was actually updatable, most of the time the version you buy with your phone is the one you're stuck with so these Android updates are kind of worthless to most existing users. Probably still no native support for MTK either and to get it working on MTK devices it needs extra stuff added. Not to mention many phones are blocked even from rooting.
Buy an unlocked direct from the vendor (IE a Pixel from Google or 10 from HTC), the thing holding you back is the carrier.

HTC and LG support bootloader unlocking:
https://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/
https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

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Originally Posted by Imouto View Post

So I take smoothness is the only thing keeping iOS ahead? Because that is quite sad.
It is. Just look for a phone with a healthy custom ROM community. Xiaomi devices are updated every single week. Most Snapdragon phones have custom ROMs. Hell, I threw my old Huawei because it was a piece of junk and a year later it still was receiving updates from a couple developers.
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Originally Posted by Omega X View Post

Android O has a solution for that called Project Treble. The premise is that the AOSP image is separate from custom changes in the OS. They'll be able to patch the AOSP image without needing extra work for the custom stuff. Though, the OEMs will have to participate in that program for now.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes-treble-modular-base-for.html
The situation is not as pretty with MTK as it is with Qualcomm devices when it comes to Android support and updates. Maybe they will finally figure it out and make proper OS update feature in future OS versions. Till then they will keep selling a new phone if one wants a newer OS version, same trick as locked batteries and so on.

@i7monkey
I charge around once a week, I really can't remember and that's with 2000mAh instead of 3000mAh battery. Sure when using it a lot it can be depleted in a day but with a decent quality battery such as with new 3000mAh it could play full brightness 4.5h 1080p x264 high bitrate PC quality video. The screen IMHO seems to be the biggest power eater on my phone, it can just be sitting doing nothing with screen turned ON and battery goes down and down at least that's what power consumption indicates.

Check for update, "your system is up to date", right 2014 version up to date
biggrin.gif
Way to go Google.
Google is only the one updating your phone when you own a "Google" phone; Nexus or Pixel. Otherwise you're at the mercy of the OEM (HTC, Samsung, LG, etc) or the carrier (AT&T, Verizon, etc).
 
#23 ·
The irony is, you pretty much have to buy new tablet hardware to get a new Android OS. Phones are a bit better though.
 
#24 ·
Still don't get the "stuttery" argument thrown around so blithely. My S7E on Nougat runs pretty smooth IMO. Not that I care much about sliding windows back and forth to see if there is a hitch once in a while. Also, I updated my Note 5 to 7.0 when it became available and my battery life definitely improved over Marshmallow.
 
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Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post

ios is a stuttery mess on anything but the very latest handset, and every once in a while even on that it is a mess.
From my experience I can say the exact same thing on android and 3+ years old phones.
 
#26 ·
On my phone it's not applications draining battery, it's Android itself.

Hopefully Hammerhead keeps getting custom ROMs for a while longer.
 
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