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You have the monoblock too right? From EK?

I noticed it has a circular heatsync vs flat, so would just a drop of kryonaut be good or whats the general use for these babies? I wanna ensure I don't have to repaste.
EK-monoblock - yes...

I actually went with LM myself after the first few re-applications while I was dealing with IHS height issues. I didn't not re-glue the IHS, so it was enough lower that the block was not sitting evently.

LM is nice in that you can just dab it around and/or add a new micro dot of it each time and install/reinstall the sink many times without blowing away the TIM with an alcohol wipe.

LM and "tuning" the the height of pads on the chokes eventually produced a VERY even and low core temp distro (10C spread over the whole thing and more like 5C typical during load).

Using NH-T1, AS5 and whatever came with the block (yep, went through them all) with either the monoblock or the AIO produced very little difference and frankly the LM+monoblock produced similar (maybe 2-3C lower tops) than the AIO did for a 10-15M test. Then the capacity of the AIO showed up, but short version - they don't make much difference on the outside of the IHS which should come as a shock to no one...

You should assume gallium is going to discolor your IHS, so bear that in mind regarding any warranty issues you do or don't have. Not sure where you got your CPU?
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EK-monoblock - yes...

I actually went with LM myself after the first few re-applications while I was dealing with IHS height issues. I didn't not re-glue the IHS, so it was enough lower that the block was not sitting evently.

LM is nice in that you can just dab it around and/or add a new micro dot of it each time and install/reinstall the sink many times without blowing away the TIM with an alcohol wipe.

LM and "tuning" the the height of pads on the chokes eventually produced a VERY even and low core temp distro (10C spread over the whole thing and more like 5C typical during load).

Using NH-T1, AS5 and whatever came with the block (yep, went through them all) with either the monoblock or the AIO produced very little difference and frankly the LM+monoblock produced similar (maybe 2-3C lower tops) than the AIO did for a 10-15M test. Then the capacity of the AIO showed up, but short version - they don't make much difference on the outside of the IHS which should come as a shock to no one...

You should assume gallium is going to discolor your IHS, so bear that in mind regarding any warranty issues you do or don't have. Not sure where you got your CPU?


Hmm I'm still a nublet with LM so just sticking w/ kryonaut for now, though I heard that LM had to be swapped out at least every 1.5 years or so, has that changed?
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Hmm I'm still a nublet with LM so just sticking w/ kryonaut for now, though I heard that LM had to be swapped out at least every 1.5 years or so, has that changed?
Should depend on the purity of the gallium (and to what it is applied?) and how much time your PC spends out to sea?wink.gif the more impurities the more oxidation you would see... That doesn't "math" well with the inherent chemistry at work here provided you don't put it on metals with which it will react, but I'm afraid I don't have an authoritative answer, only limited personal experience to the contrary...
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Should depend on the purity of the gallium (and to what it is applied?) and how much time your PC spends out to sea?wink.gif the more impurities the more oxidation you would see... That doesn't "math" well with the inherent chemistry at work here provided you don't put it on metals with which it will react, but I'm afraid I don't have an authoritative answer, only limited personal experience to the contrary...

Lmao gotta love science.


I have 3 GPU's but I'm still going to install the main OS drive on the Dimm 2 unless any other reason not to, also using a ZxR sound card which I think is just 4x anyways. so 16x8x16x4

So any recommendations for drives after or should I be good for maxing the Dimm 2 and the m2. slot 3 on the board?

Also oddly the instructions for how to remove the armor to access the m.2_1 slot aren't in the book. Do you have to unscrew everything underneath?


Found it
Edited by LunaP - 11/17/17 at 1:41pm
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Lmao gotta love science.


I have 3 GPU's but I'm still going to install the main OS drive on the Dimm 2 unless any other reason not to, also using a ZxR sound card which I think is just 4x anyways. so 16x8x16x4

So any recommendations for drives after or should I be good for maxing the Dimm 2 and the m2. slot 3 on the board?

Also oddly the instructions for how to remove the armor to access the m.2_1 slot aren't in the book. Do you have to unscrew everything underneath?


Found it
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2066/ROG_RAMPAGE_VI_EXTREME/E12842_ROG_RAMPAGE_VI_EXTREME_UM_WEB.pdf

page 28 - 44 lanes TOTAL - 40 devoted to PCIE+dimm.2

So, your 16x8x16x4x has 4x too many...

and page 90 - dimm.2-2 shares lanes... with the last PCIE slot

This "tight" limit was one of the reasons I really hesitated with this platform - a dual CPU or Ryzen setup offers options I just don't have with SLI. I have to choose Hyper or PCIe raid card, I have to pick where my M.2's go very, very carefullly... and I not only needed the 10GbE to be on-board, but I have to let it share BW with the PCH, so my Sata options in real terms are restricted as well...
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http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2066/ROG_RAMPAGE_VI_EXTREME/E12842_ROG_RAMPAGE_VI_EXTREME_UM_WEB.pdf

page 28 - 44 lanes TOTAL - 40 devoted to PCIE+dimm.2

So, your 16x8x16x4x has 4x too many...

and page 90 - dimm.2-2 shares lanes... with the last PCIE slot

This "tight" limit was one of the reasons I really hesitated with this platform - a dual CPU or Ryzen setup offers options I just don't have with SLI. I have to choose Hyper or PCIe raid card, I have to pick where my M.2's go very, very carefullly... and I not only needed the 10GbE to be on-board, but I have to let it share BW with the PCH, so my Sata options in real terms are restricted as well...


Damn.... BUT you can still set the dimm 2 to use the PCH vs the CPU correct? or vice versa, I remember a piece stating that, HOPEFULLY so since I put the 950 under the armor and the 960 on the dim2....

Cuz I'm now leak testing my rig and the only way to that armor now is by busting out the loop and gpus...
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Damn.... BUT you can still set the dimm 2 to use the PCH vs the CPU correct? or vice versa, I remember a piece stating that, HOPEFULLY so since I put the 950 under the armor and the 960 on the dim2....

Cuz I'm now leak testing my rig and the only way to that armor now is by busting out the loop and gpus...

Yes the Dimm.2 can be assigned to CPU or PCH
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Yes the Dimm.2 can be assigned to CPU or PCH

Ok question on that, because someone just brought something to my attention, and since I'm in the middle of leak testing its aggrivating to think about.


I have my setup like this

PCIE SLOTS

1) 1080ti
2) nothing
3) 980ti
4) 1080ti
5) Sound blaster ZnR

My understanding is from the manual, and what I've seen is that the 1080ti's will be x16 since they're in slots 1 and 4 while the 980ti ( for my accessory monitors ) will run at 8x
the Sound blaster I forget what it runs at so I'm assuming up to 4x

However given that this is 40 lanes already for just the GPU's that means either 1) the dimm 2 eats the 4, or 2) the ZnR eats the 4 ( IN the event I swap it to pch )

Do I have this correct or does this board literally reroute how it uses the lanes despite on the PCIE slot in use?

Also since I have a 950 pro on the PCH lane ) m2.3 ( which is under the armor ) can I just disable that and set the 960 Pro I have ( on the dimm 2) to use that instead freeing up the lanes?
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@raja@asus - Could you speak to why the manual says that you have to use the slots 1, 4, and 5 for 16x16x8, otherwise using the card in slot 1, 2, and 4, it seems to suggest it will force the board to 16x8x8x8, instead of allowing 16x8x16? Thank you!
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Ok question on that, because someone just brought something to my attention, and since I'm in the middle of leak testing its aggrivating to think about.


I have my setup like this

PCIE SLOTS

1) 1080ti
2) nothing
3) 980ti
4) 1080ti
5) Sound blaster ZnR

My understanding is from the manual, and what I've seen is that the 1080ti's will be x16 since they're in slots 1 and 4 while the 980ti ( for my accessory monitors ) will run at 8x
the Sound blaster I forget what it runs at so I'm assuming up to 4x

However given that this is 40 lanes already for just the GPU's that means either 1) the dimm 2 eats the 4, or 2) the ZnR eats the 4 ( IN the event I swap it to pch )

Do I have this correct or does this board literally reroute how it uses the lanes despite on the PCIE slot in use?

Also since I have a 950 pro on the PCH lane ) m2.3 ( which is under the armor ) can I just disable that and set the 960 Pro I have ( on the dimm 2) to use that instead freeing up the lanes?
There are only 2 slots wired for x16 on the board:
The manual refers to them as 1 and 3. Starting from the top, they are the first (1st) and fourth (4th) physical slots on the board.

There is a black x4 slot that goes to the PCH - if I were you, I'd put my sound card there.
a. sound cards don't need much throughput.
b. it takes out of the math of your PCIe x8/x16 slots. Of course it will consume bandwidth to the PCH which means any m.2/sata/10G traffic will share DMI resources with your sound card.

So, if you want both of your 1080ti's to be x16, you MUST put them in the first and fourth slots from the top (aka: PCIEx16/x8_1 and PCIEx16/x8_3) . This will leave a x8 CPU and x4 PCH slot between them.

If you want your 980ti to run at x8 (and your 2x1080ti's running at x16), the manual states that it MUST be in the 5th slot (aka: PCIEx8_4). BUT - keep in mind that dimm.2_2 usage shares PCIE resources with PCIEx8_4 - so if you do NOT set your dimm.2 to use PCH, then your 980ti will be running at x4. I actually haven't tried that - it didn't work in the past, but maybe it does now?

Keep in mind that dimm.2 through the PCH means its limited by the PCIEx4 path that feeds the PCH.

Ain't this fun? rolleyes.gif
Edited by cekim - 11/18/17 at 9:09pm
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