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Yes and Yes. I have Kryonaut and my CPU was delidded by Silicon Lottery. I REALLY don't want to, but I think I'm going to have to re-seat and re-apply the TIM. that means taking the whole thing appart . . . But the temps should not be substantially higher with the monoblock, so I must have not put enough TIM, imo. I did a VERY thin job this time around with the monoblock.

From memory, my CPU temps were a lot better on the Spupremacy Evo. So if others are seeing good temps with the monoblock, it leads me to believe I can too.

What are your actual ambient and CPU temps? OC'd or stock?
Yes make sure you put enough and make sure you put a very thin coating on the monoblock. I actually put more than normal cause after looking at the block I would be able to press that block in tighter than a regular water block. I mean I didn’t drown it but I covered most of the monoblock’s circle with a smudge. Did you try tightening the block a bit more from the back without taking the whole thing apart? From my experience the spikey temp is not because of the type of block but a TIM job issue.
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Well, this is not good...

EK monoblock looks nice and is cooling the VRM well, but compared to the 110i 280 AIO, it isn't cooling well at all.

Just 3 minutes of RB and I'm cooking (280 EK - thick rad, fans/pump at 100% vs 280 AIO):

Check out max temps after 3m of 4.5GHz @ 1.18v (RB2.44)


vs the 110i last night - same settings:


Pretty though, but... ugh... I was hoping this would be a step forward. Idle temps and character does not seem to indicate poor seat or gross error. It's not completely junk, just not moving the heat to the rad well (air/rad are not getting hot like the AIO was).
post #943 of 1568
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I was also using an ekwb Supremacy EVO, and had better temps. Now to decide if I want to retry the TIM application on the monoblock, or just go with the ekwb Supremacy EVO. The VRM temps on the monoblock are better. But the current CPU temps would not allow me to do any overclock at all if I am seeing 70c spikes idle. ugh . . . mad.gif
Having a similar issue here it seems... (see above)....

Going to pull it apart now and see what the external TIM spread looks like (used EK's TIM outside - LM inside).
post #944 of 1568
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Originally Posted by brighttail View Post

The temps shouldn't be more than 2-3 degrees higher with the monoblock on than another CPU block. As we have seen many times before the monoblock can add a few degrees because of how much more it has too cool, in this case the VRM as well. More than that, there is probably and issue.

I put on some Kryonaut the other day but it was really tacky and didn't spread that well...(I had the little spatula rather than the applicator accessory) In the end, I don't think it went on right but I don't really know as I have never used it before. Despite smoothing and resmoothing it over and over, I could see little dots where I could see the CPU block through the paste. I assumed that when I put the monoblock on it would fill in those areas but since I haven't put the computer together yet, I may take it apart before I put the motherboard in just to see how well it covered everything.

I read online that with the Kryonaut if the temperatures are a little cool in the house it can go on tacky and you can heat up the tube in some warm/hot water before applying it. I guess we'll see.

Considering my delidded 7900x OC to 4.9Ghz on a 280mm AIO was running at 25C idle, I might suggest reapplying the TIM. It sucks yes but best do it now and get it over with. smile.gif

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Yes make sure you put enough and make sure you put a very thin coating on the monoblock. I actually put more than normal cause after looking at the block I would be able to press that block in tighter than a regular water block. I mean I didn’t drown it but I covered most of the monoblock’s circle with a smudge. Did you try tightening the block a bit more from the back without taking the whole thing apart? From my experience the spikey temp is not because of the type of block but a TIM job issue.

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Well, this is not good...

EK monoblock looks nice and is cooling the VRM well, but compared to the 110i 280 AIO, it isn't cooling well at all.

Just 3 minutes of RB and I'm cooking (280 EK - thick rad, fans/pump at 100% vs 280 AIO):

Check out max temps after 3m of 4.5GHz @ 1.18v (RB2.44)


vs the 110i last night - same settings:


Pretty though, but... ugh... I was hoping this would be a step forward. Idle temps and character does not seem to indicate poor seat or gross error. It's not completely junk, just not moving the heat to the rad well (air/rad are not getting hot like the AIO was).

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Having a similar issue here it seems... (see above)....

Going to pull it apart now and see what the external TIM spread looks like (used EK's TIM outside - LM inside).


From what I have read, and from other's experience, there should not be a large difference in temps, so I am leaning towards a bad TIM job on my part. I hope this is the case for you too cekim. PLEASE post your results after you redo your TIM. I will have to wait until later in the week, or weekend, to be able to re-do mine.

#pleasebethetim

cekim, I have not looked at both of your setups, but a thick RAD sometimes is not better at dissipating heat. I used to think so, but learned that some thinner RADS are better than some thick RADS. I do not know if this is the case with your setup, but you might want to look into that also. The average temps on your new setup look better than the 110i though.
Edited by Jobotoo - 10/23/17 at 8:28pm
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Well, this is not good...

EK monoblock looks nice and is cooling the VRM well, but compared to the 110i 280 AIO, it isn't cooling well at all...

It seems like the copper plate transfer heat from VRM to the CPU side, faster than the water can carry the heat away. Maybe the VRM deserves its own block and Rad...
post #946 of 1568
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It seems like the copper plate transfer heat from VRM to the CPU side, faster than the water can carry the heat away. Maybe the VRM deserves its own block and Rad...
Doesn't seem to be the case with Der8aur's results... That's what has me confused.

Debating whether I tear it down tonight or just head to bed...
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Doesn't seem to be the case with Der8aur's results... That's what has me confused.

Debating whether I tear it down tonight or just head to bed...

Tear it down . . . /evilselfishemoji tongue.gif
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It seems like the copper plate transfer heat from VRM to the CPU side, faster than the water can carry the heat away. Maybe the VRM deserves its own block and Rad...

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Doesn't seem to be the case with Der8aur's results... That's what has me confused.

Debating whether I tear it down tonight or just head to bed...

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Tear it down . . . /evilselfishemoji tongue.gif
I'm getting ok temps but I have a massive cooling custom loop so I hope it's the TIM job for @cekim and @Jobotoo
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post #949 of 1568
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I'm getting ok temps but I have a massive cooling custom loop so I hope it's the TIM job for @cekim and @Jobotoo

That makes sense! If you water flow fast enough to carry the heat away, the problem won't show as much. Once the VRM heated up and hotter then the CPU side, water won't prevent the heat transfer from one side of copper to the other side.

Now I am thinking it may be a bad idea to cool the CPU and VRM on the same block. Hotter VRM won't affect performance as much.
Edited by svx94 - 10/23/17 at 9:00pm
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It seems like the monoblock may not be a worthy investment for me based on what I'm reading on here. The question is, is adequate airflow throughout the case good enough for the VRM if I'm aiming for 4.7GHz on a 7920X? Or is it highly recommended that they get their own dedicated fans? If so, there go the aesthetics.

Also, I'm planning on going with two rads: 360mm + 420mm. This is for both a 7920X and Titan XP. I've often heard the bottleneck with X299 though is Intel's poor TIM though, so more rad space may not make much of a difference. I'd rather not go the delid route since I'd like to keep the factory 3 year warranty.
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