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the bottle came today........2nd time lucky i guess. still not using it......

turns out adding anything to distilled water as a coolant "enhancer" actually decreases its performance as a thermal conductor. i can hit 5gz at lower temps now on pure distilled........even with frankesteined aio parts that some of you guys look down upon so much. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the only real need i can see to add additives is to lower your freezing point.......if you think/know your fluid will be "sub zero" your excused.

not so sure why people think additives in a cooling medium are a necessity....oh wait..... people make money selling them to poor unsuspecting people who don't know better and like pretty colours. i cant imagine how i got swept up in all that tongue.gif

there so much misinformation out there.

bearing this in mind its no wonder mr mayhem suggested a "competitor", if people figured out they could get better performance for cheaper using distilled........well........pretty self explanatory there

an added bonus of distilled is when i change my coolant in future is i can tip it down the drain legally as its pure water. plus its a lot cheaper for distilled than any other "gunk" out there. mother earth will like me.
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keep up with the snake oil mr mayhem.......you know what they say about a fool and his money.


There is a correlation between a lack of anti corrosives and damage to blocks.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1542289/ek-supremacy-evo-nickel-chipping/60#post_24162822

and further

http://www.overclock.net/t/1580670/few-problems-with-my-loop-silver-kill-coils-safe/10
Silver

http://www.overclock.net/t/1635049/cleaning-nickel-cpu-water-block-ek-supremacy-evo-nickel#post_26245094
Straight distilled

http://www.overclock.net/t/1633928/block-salvagable
Straight Distilled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evab4rhd48I
Straight distilled
Edited by Ashcroft - 9/21/17 at 5:41am
post #32 of 61
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Originally Posted by jimmyhackers View Post

the bottle came today........2nd time lucky i guess. still not using it......

turns out adding anything to distilled water as a coolant "enhancer" actually decreases its performance as a thermal conductor. i can hit 5gz at lower temps now on pure distilled........even with frankesteined aio parts that some of you guys look down upon so much.

the only real need i can see to add additives is to lower your freezing point.......if you think/know your fluid will be "sub zero" your excused.

not so sure why people think additives in a cooling medium are a necessity....oh wait..... people make money selling them to poor unsuspecting people who don't know better and like pretty colours. i cant imagine how i got swept up in all that tongue.gif

there so much misinformation out there.

bearing this in mind its no wonder mr mayhem suggested a "competitor", if people figured out they could get better performance for cheaper using distilled........well........pretty self explanatory there

an added bonus of distilled is when i change my coolant in future is i can tip it down the drain legally as its pure water. plus its a lot cheaper for distilled than any other "gunk" out there. mother earth will like me.

keep up with the snake oil mr mayhem.......you know what they say about a fool and his money.

WoW gotta love a person who with no backing spews garbage around like it is his daily job. I can tell you right now there is no better fluid than Mayhems my pc has had 5 different colors from Mayhems and even Pastel the stuff works plain and simple. The one who is talking about snake oil is you, straight water is a crap idea good luck with that. Post pics in a few months when your blocks have growth in them or corrosion going on. Good luck sounds like you are the type even when present with facts you won't pay attention so no need for any of the rest of us to try, your loop your money.
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Here is a person who came to this with not just some facts but proof backing up what we are trying to say. Thank you Ashcroft for doing the dirty work for us lol tongue.gif +rep
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This now reminds me of a family member who shall remain nameless.

He insists that you do not need to change the oil in your car more than 1 or 2 times a year as long as you drive highway miles.

You don't need to run specialty coolant, you can just run straight distilled. If you do you'll need to flush more frequently and you risk corrosion (Even of copper and nickel).

The specialty coolant isn't snake oil, it serves a purpose - corrosion reduction and biological growth inhibition. This can be done with automotive products as has been mentioned, but those are toxic.
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I am running similar "frankenstein" setup but I do not have those problems. Took a lot more care finding information to do it correctly, triple check my fluid actually allows mixing metals. For example EK says their coolant is good for copper, nickel, brass, aluminium etc...but it means pure loops! No mixing!

So there are only a few ready PC-coolant ready mixes that say straight good for mixed metal loops. Have to give hats to Mayhems for trying to fix problem but in cases like this you have to tell instructions clear as in USA microwave manuals are (do not dry your pets in microwave, it will die).

So what I am using? Copper (blocks), brass (a few fittings) and aluminium (rads). Coolant is coollaboratory coolant pro blue and now after 1 year I drained loop and checked GPU block when I was upgrading my GPU and 0% corrosion in sight. The fluid didn't have anything extra either inside it.

So what you should have done: just use tap water (if it is drinkable, otherwise distilled) to rinse radiators and take apart aio blocks to take away any gunk inside (probably not any, my early asetek pump had glue remains blocking 50% of flow).

You can mix metals but it needs a few extra miles of careful planning that's why everybody is saying do not do it. (they have seen the horror posts). Of course you can do your own mix with car coolant but $8 wasn't enough to kill me, afterwards if it evaporates just add distilled water to loop and you're good to go for 24 months. I seem to lose about 5ml in 6 months so I do not have to worry about filling it now and then either too much.

Mixed metal 101:
- Do not do it without actually spending 2 weeks planning and triple checking everything
- If you do it, do not recommended it for others unless it is for fun on old hardware
- Compromises after compromises
- Cooling performance is a bit worse than pure copper
- Not perhaps that much cheaper (freebie parts for me)
- Triple check everything, especially coolant
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This now reminds me of a family member who shall remain nameless.

He insists that you do not need to change the oil in your car more than 1 or 2 times a year as long as you drive highway miles.

You don't need to run specialty coolant, you can just run straight distilled. If you do you'll need to flush more frequently and you risk corrosion (Even of copper and nickel).

The specialty coolant isn't snake oil, it serves a purpose - corrosion reduction and biological growth inhibition. This can be done with automotive products as has been mentioned, but those are toxic.

So are the "specialty pc coolants" thumb.gif

There are about 3-4 pages in the EK thread where I posted the MSDS reports from a few different coolants, the primary active ingredient in each one was ethylene glycol. thumb.gif


I have yet to find an off the shelf specialty pc coolant that does not use some form of glycol tongue.gif
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So are the "specialty pc coolants" thumb.gif

There are about 3-4 pages in the EK thread where I posted the MSDS reports from a few different coolants, the primary active ingredient in each one was ethylene glycol. thumb.gif


I have yet to find an off the shelf specialty pc coolant that does not use some form of glycol tongue.gif

True enough, coollaboratory's "innovative" liquid datasheet:

Chemical characterization:
The ready-use-mixture contains 1.2 ethane diol (Glycol) in aqueous solution, inhibitors for
avoiding corrosion and dyestuffs.
The ready-use-mixture contains max. 10% of 1.2 ethane diol. (Glycol)
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I am running similar "frankenstein" setup but I do not have those problems. Took a lot more care finding information to do it correctly, triple check my fluid actually allows mixing metals. For example EK says their coolant is good for copper, nickel, brass, aluminium etc...but it means pure loops! No mixing. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
So there are only a few ready PC-coolant ready mixes that say straight good for mixed metal loops. Have to give hats to Mayhems for trying to fix problem but in cases like this you have to tell instructions clear as in USA microwave manuals are (do not dry your pets in microwave, it will die).

So what I am using? Copper (blocks), brass (a few fittings) and aluminium (rads). Coolant is coollaboratory coolant pro blue and now after 1 year I drained loop and checked GPU block when I was upgrading my GPU and 0% corrosion in sight. The fluid didn't have anything extra either inside it.

So what you should have done: just use tap water (if it is drinkable, otherwise distilled) to rinse radiators and take apart aio blocks to take away any gunk inside (probably not any, my early asetek pump had glue remains blocking 50% of flow).

You can mix metals but it needs a few extra miles of careful planning that's why everybody is saying do not do it. (they have seen the horror posts). Of course you can do your own mix with car coolant but $8 wasn't enough to kill me, afterwards if it evaporates just add distilled water to loop and you're good to go for 24 months. I seem to lose about 5ml in 6 months so I do not have to worry about filling it now and then either too much.

Mixed metal 101:
- Do not do it without actually spending 2 weeks planning and triple checking everything
- If you do it, do not recommended it for others unless it is for fun on old hardware
- Compromises after compromises
- Cooling performance is a bit worse than pure copper
- Not perhaps that much cheaper (freebie parts for me)
- Triple check everything, especially coolant

What makes you believe that? I have never seen anyone from EK say the coolant is only suitable for non mixed loops.
They list all the metals but there is mention of not being able to combine them.
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OP mixed Copper, Aluminum, Silver, and biocide in his loop and blames it on the fluid? headscratch.gif

I kind of want to see this loop. Can we has pictures?
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What makes you believe that? I have never seen anyone from EK say the coolant is only suitable for non mixed loops.
They list all the metals but there is mention of not being able to combine them.
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Hello,

I have ordered EKWB Blue UV mix from Jimms.fi but somebody pointed out that I should not use ethylene glycol with copper / aluminium mixed radiators and blocks due increased corrosion and suggested to switching propylene glycol instead.

Could you please advise because I can't get good answer how long this corrosion would take and in what time it would clog something?

Problem is due clearance issues I have to use thinner aluminium radiators instead copper ones.

Sincerely
Markku Hyttinen
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EKWB Support (Igor) (EKWB Support)
Nov 9, 09:31 CET 2016

Dear Markku

Thank you for contacting us.
I'm really sorry, but please note that you will have a lot of corrosion and your radiator will surely start leaking quite soon.
DO NOT use this mix of materials in the same mix, as you should never use this mix of materials in the same loop.

You can get a slim radiator here and avoid mixing aluminum and copper in the same loop - https://www.ekwb.com/shop/radiators-fans/120mm-series-radiators/coolstream-se-series

Best regards, Igor

When manufacturer doesn't have confidence in their own product in that use case, would you then?
Edited by sl06bhytmar - 9/21/17 at 5:57am
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