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white balls of mould in reservoir :(

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#1 ·
hello.....annoyingly my reservoir appears to of developed little white fungus type balls in the reservoir only. its been in about 3 months

im using mayhems X1 clear blue which supposedly has anti fungicidals in it......and is supposed to be blue but may aswell be clear.

i put a strip of silver in there also but it appears that hasnt worked also.

i figure i need to flush it out, clean and de-fungal it all......can someone recommend me the cleaning fluids and the method please?

can you also tell me wether im better of using something other than mayhems fluid as is "biocites and inhibitors" seem to be pretty naff/non exsistant.
 
#3 ·
Your coolant is working fine and should not be used with any silver at all. The white balls are stuff that has been lifted from with in the rads or from with in your system and could be a coating of some sort. Most of all pics of your full system, pic's of the issue and detailed brake down of your system would help people diagnose what you problem is. With out that your pissing in a oncoming wind ....
 
#5 ·
sorry...ill get a pic if they start growing again. ive picked them all out of the resevoir with tweezers and binned them

im using two pumps from a h100 and a single 240mm rad from a h100.plus various other new ebay bits n bobs.

i rinsed it all out with a bit of white vinegr and distilled water. then just distilled water. then filled it. (not the best way but not the worst either)

it all seemed rather clean in there to begin with though. the exsisting coolant was crystal clear upon opening the h100's

whats weirder is my tubing is clear silicone and they are not forming in that. just the resevoir.

sorry mr mayhem. i dont mean to offend.

it does appear only one type of "nasty" has survived your fluid. so for the best part your biocites and inhibitors have done their job.

apart from these weird white balls the fluid is still clear.

im not sure if i was unlucky got a duff batch but even looking in the white container the fluid looked very clear with a slight tint of blue. in my thin reservoir and even thinner piping it "may as well be clear"
 
#6 ·
H100 , Aluminium rad .... that explains a lot. Yes we have seen this before would you believe it is in thouse rads.

You should have not used vinegar on them rads just Hot water as the alu strips off easily.

Oky your fix. You need to empty out the coolant, rince with Bicarb with warmish water and leave it in there for a few hours. I would suggest fluid replacement as well. Fire me your Full details via PM and ill replace it for you. Need full name address, telephone number (do not forget country). The amount you used, a photo would be good as well of you receipt.

When using alu rad NEVER acid clean them.
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This is why its always good to give full information of your set up and include photos if you can so we can help diagnose issues quicker and better. This goes for every one.. Partial information just makes things look bad and is no help to you the user and any one helping you solve the issues at hand.
 
#7 ·
i can say im rather impressed with being offered replacement liquid free of charge. still hasnt arrived yet but i have enough of the previous liquid to make do until.

As told, the mismatching of an alu rad with a copper heatblock has caused a galvanic reaction. goddam corsair should have a copper cored rad
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just makes me wonder what type of fluid was in there to begin with to inhibit a galvanic reaction. probably one without residual acidic vinegar left in : P

ive disassembled bicarded and rinsed out my system with distilled water then put it all back together and flow rate seems to be back up to its normal trickle instead of a weak dribble.....(h100 pumps are lame)

the rad was a lot more "icky" than the pump/waterblock making me think most of the reaction happened to the alu in the rad

i cant half help thinking this is going to happen again due to copper+aluminium.

am i better off getting a copper rad to prevent this in the future?
also will the silver piece in my reservoir make this worse, can this speed up the galvanic reaction?
does anyone run an in-line filter (like a small mini moto petrol filter) in their system?
will a petrol filter be ok or should i get a more expensive water cooling specific one?

thanks again for the help guys
 
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#9 ·
looks like mayhems has failed me......

said they sent the bottle of xti nuke

over a week later i ask where it is and i get "it must of got lost, this happens a lot".

was told to email tech@mayhems to retail them all the crap ive already told them......

this email doesnt work.... i mean was it tech@mayhems.com or .co.uk or .net ?

tried to go on their website to find a real email......turns out you have to signup/register......been waiting 2 days for my confirmation email.......still not here.....so i cant complain to them

so im going to complain on here

and as you may have already guessed.......i am never buying mayhems products again...... as far as i call it the response i got on here is essentially a shill.
there worried about there product name and not the customers using it.

i was reluctant to post this photo but i may as well now

http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/jimmyhackers/media/IMAG04401_zpslqiswsde.jpg.html

this bottle is well over half full........here is mayhems idea of clear blue fluid

jokers
 
#10 ·
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Originally Posted by jimmyhackers View Post

looks like mayhems has failed me......

said they sent the bottle of xti nuke

over a week later i ask where it is and i get "it must of got lost, this happens a lot"

was told to email tech@mayhems to retail them all the crap ive already told them......

this email doesnt work.... i mean was it tech@mayhems.com or .co.uk or .net ?

tried to go on their website to find a real email......turns out you have to signup/register......been waiting 2 days for my confirmation email.......still not here.....so i cant complain to them

so im going to complain on here

and as you may have already guessed.......i am never buying mayhems products again...... as far as i call it the response i got on here is essentially a shill.
there worried about there product name and not the customers using it.

i was reluctant to post this photo but i may as well now

http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/jimmyhackers/media/IMAG04401_zpslqiswsde.jpg.html

this bottle is well over half full........here is mayhems idea of clear blue fluid

jokers
While they should have sent you a bottle of fluid if it was promised.....it wasn't them that put together a frankenstein of mixed metals and poor quality CLC parts. They even tried to help you get the mess you created sorted out before you proceeded to make it worse. You made a mess, you got help and now you want to cry that you didn't get a $10 bottle of fluid that you realistically didn't deserve in the first place (since you misused the fluid, Mayhems was and is under no obligation to you) and want to bash the company that tried to help you. Really bad form. SMH.
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

While they should have sent you a bottle of fluid if it was promised.....it wasn't them that put together a frankenstein of mixed metals and poor quality CLC parts. They even tried to help you get the mess you created sorted out before you proceeded to make it worse. You made a mess, you got help and now you want to cry that you didn't get a $10 bottle of fluid that you realistically didn't deserve in the first place (since you misused the fluid, Mayhems was and is under no obligation to you) and want to bash the company that tried to help you. Really bad form. SMH.
my issue isn't "i messed up mixing metals" i know that. corsair seems to do it fine albeit with the right coolant (glycol)

but in all honesty im pretty sure it wasn't galvanic corrrosion as the only deposits looked like mould and the fluid smelt more like yogurt.

the fluid i bought initially was of a weak quality as shown by my picture...meaning it most likely didnt have the right amount of inhibitors or biocides in it to begin with. (that i can moan about)

my issue is ive been waiting two weeks for fluid that was promised to me so i havn't gotten any as a replacement yet.......meaning my new loop and new copper radiator has just been running distilled water as i really just don't trust the remainder of the bottled of stuff i got.

then after giving my details once and then being told through PM on here I have to give them again to a defunct/incomplete email address which didnt work and then i find their website which is a ballache (as i mentioned you have to sign up and i still havnt recived my confirmation email) why not just a normal email address like any other company???

if i hadnt kicked up yet another fuss on here id of been forgotten......so you know what....

if this bottle turns up all i can really refute is they sent me a replacement bottle which is nice of them......am i going to use it?......probably not.
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by jimmyhackers View Post

id also like to point out the bottle of mayhem x1 itself says......

properties and benefits

protection against copper, brass, steel, nickel and aluminium proven to ASTM D3306 and BS6580 standards.

so you know what i didn't even MISUSE the product.
Aluminum + copper + silver + aecetic acid (vinegar) is a lot to ask any corrosion inhibitor to overcome. I wouldn't want to put any product that strong into a properly designed loop as it will most likely reduce the effectiveness of the heat transfer.

The smell you experienced is probably hydrogen sulfide that arose from the reaction between the copper sulphide in the mayhems combined with organic material (acetic acid). Some quick googling indicates wine fermentors can have this problem. This would explain the smell AND the corrosion byproducts.

Maybe give the vendor that steps up to the plate the benefit of the doubt next time before publicly lambasting them? You get a lot farther in b life with honey than you do with vinegar.
 
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#18 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

While they should have sent you a bottle of fluid if it was promised.....it wasn't them that put together a frankenstein of mixed metals and poor quality CLC parts. They even tried to help you get the mess you created sorted out before you proceeded to make it worse. You made a mess, you got help and now you want to cry that you didn't get a $10 bottle of fluid that you realistically didn't deserve in the first place (since you misused the fluid, Mayhems was and is under no obligation to you) and want to bash the company that tried to help you. Really bad form. SMH.
I was just thinking the same thing
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Instead of bashing a company for providing to you exactly what you got instead spend time reading and learning about what you are doing and the material/metal interactions. Mayhems goes above and beyond to EVEN offer a replacement bottle and than you want to cry about it. Amazing.... what a wonderful thank you to Mayhems for something they DID NOT DO

Your right your bottle of fluid was special and was weak.... cmon flat you made a huge mistake and than blamed the fluid they offer to do something which they shouldn't have and than you bash them for it. Either way you should have said thank you for the help and thank you for the offer, people doing stuff like this def help companies care about the community.
 
#19 ·
Xt1-Nuke is still on the way to you next day devilry regged, I can only suggest with what you are doing is to use a ph neutralizer such as Bicarb, then flush with di water. Then replace with what ever coolant you like and if you are going to use XT1-Nuke that you will get tomorrow, use a 15% mix ratio just to cover your ass. That's it from me, have fun and hope you go full custom and have a better experience in your future.

Do it wrong and regret it or do it right first time and have the world at your feet.

This hobby is one of the best and we all have a laugh now and them but do not blame others for your own mistakes it will only back fire.

Best of luck and peace out.

Mick of Mayhems (the only person who is a director of a company who doesn't follow the rules).......

 
#20 ·
i think your all getting the wrong end of my stick here......ive just explained it as it has happened and said what i think of it....because what has happened is so "bad/unlucky" you think im bashing the company. when im actually bashing my situation.

yes i messed up my mixing metals......but the weak fluid only sped up the process, so im still partially justified in my annoyance and im pretty sure im allowed to voice that.

might i add, if the bottle actually listed what was in it I might of been able to double-check whether it was safe or not. granted i should of just googled it myself. apparently i would of gotten away with glycol n distilled for longer with an ally rad, but that is a mute point as i have a brass core rad now.

im just going to run pure distilled water with a silver kill coil and change the water when needed from now on. i might invest in a better pump and cpu block but all seems well again and frankensteins monster lives!!!.

All i can say in conclusion is mick is a top bloke for bearing with me.......

not so sure about the person who made the particular bottle of fluid i was unlucky enough to get.......or the postman that lost the first bottle of replacement fluid....or the person who thought not putting a simple contact email on their webpage was a good idea.....or the person who thought not labeling/listing exactly whats in a bottle of potentially dangerous chemicals on said bottle was a good idea.....or the dingle who thought "if corsair can mix metals with no problems, so can i".

thanks again for the help everyone.
 
#22 ·
if all you have to pick at is my misuse of phrasing now.....it must mean everything else i said was pretty valid.

glad you were still able to get exactly what i meant by using it though....funny that.

maybe i should stop taking things for granite

wub a lub a dub dub
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by jimmyhackers View Post

if all you have to pick at is my misuse of phrasing now.....it must mean everything else i said was pretty valid.

glad you were still able to get exactly what i meant by using it though....funny that.

maybe i should stop taking things for granite

wub a lub a dub dub
Well no, there was everyone getting the wrong end of your stick too.

I dunno what sounds worse, being at the wrong end or the right end of your stick? Guess it depends on what people are in to.

Anyways it wasn't meant as an attack. I just enjoy a good malaproprism
 
#24 ·
What you need to understand us as manufacturers esp with a small company like ours, we have limited staff. Not only do i invest a lot of time dev, mixing, making, manufacturing, supporting , Making sure you get the goods, i also have to chase down the delivery guys to find out why they are stealing our products or just throwing them away we do not know which ... On top of that last week i was in germany, this week im at a nano event doing a small presentation ect ect. its not easy to keep up all the time but we do our best.

Silver + water is a bad idea in your loop use the XT1-Nuke at 15% you will be fine, if you wish to run for a long time use 20%.
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post

What you need to understand us as manufacturers esp with a small company like ours, we have limited staff. Not only do i invest a lot of time dev, mixing, making, manufacturing, supporting , Making sure you get the goods, i also have to chase down the delivery guys to find out why they are stealing our products or just throwing them away we do not know which ... On top of that last week i was in germany, this week im at a nano event doing a small presentation ect ect. its not easy to keep up all the time but we do our best.

Silver + water is a bad idea in your loop use the XT1-Nuke at 15% you will be fine, if you wish to run for a long time use 20%.
Doesn't XT1 Nuke have some tubing compatibility requirements? If so, you should probably spell them out. Given the rest of the loop it could be old garden hose.
 
#26 ·
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Doesn't XT1 Nuke have some tubing compatibility requirements? If so, you should probably spell them out. Given the rest of the loop it could be old garden hose.
Sure does.


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Originally Posted by jimmyhackers View Post

"if corsair can mix metals with no problems, so can i".
Corsair and other AIO manufacturers get away with this by coating the aluminum radiators. It is not a permanent solution as the coating eventually wears away, causing buildup and corrosion, and then the cooler fails.

OP,

Watercooling 101

-Do not mix aluminum and copper/brass.
-Do not run silver with a coolant that has biocides. It can cause an adverse reaction.
-Do not expect good results with a custom loop when piecing it together with crappy AIO parts. They are budget parts with budget materials.
-Mayhems has the absolute best track record of any coolant manufacturer. If their coolants were "weak" like you said earlier, then people like me wouldn't of had great experiences with their products for well over half a decade.
-The horror stories you see are from people who misuse their products by jumping into custom watercooling without knowing how deep this end of the pool is.
 
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