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#1 ·
Hello guys this is me yuriy from Venezuela i was wondering if someone can help me a little bit to achieve a better mouse mhz? more consistent?

Look this are my PC SPECS:

CPU: Ryzen 5- 1600 oc to 3.8 running volt 1.3875 (tested-stressed max temp 71) safe
Motherboard: Ab350 fatality k4 gamming
RAM: Patriot Hyenix 3200 mhz 2x4 (stable at 2800mhz (14-15-15-15-35) ) <-- safe i tested with 90% Memory load, for nearly 2hours no errors, just by cfg the timmings and sub-timmings auto
PSU: Thermaltake Tough Power 775 bronce 80+
CASE: Thermaltake V9 edition
GPU: GTX 1060 6 GB EVGA (latest drivers)
MOUSE: G9 Logitech it is a mouse from 2008 i guess
Monitor: Syncmaster t200- 1680x1050 2ms ghosthing 60 native hertz (max 75hz)
OS: Windows 10 1703 Creator 64 Pro clean install from Microsoft.

PS: I have tried already default bios and problem persist with inconsistent.

The thing is im getting such a bad inconsistent mouse hz, i tried software like Logitech Software and thats kinda suck to be honest with this type of g9, for that reason i ended up by dowloading a version of Logitech Set Point like 6.32 that is the last support versin for g9 which came with things like this:

This is my Mouse settings in Windows: @6/11 im using Marcfix for 6/11 100% DPI

Now this is how the device manager looks through Universal Serial Bus Controllers (i tried to package the 3.0 drivers from amd latest chipset drivers 17.30 but when trying to update manually, it will throw me like a kind of BSDO like (ups windows 10 ran into problems, recollecting etc etc, but 0 code error..

Device Manager:

Now this is MouseMovement Recorder:
1000hz

500hz

333 HZ

250 HZ

200 hz

125 hz

Please help
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Mouse feel so floaty i cannot even properly AIM in game such cs 1.6, cs:go, etc,etc :/ is like i was in a SHIP through the OCEAN, like waves, floating, i dont know how to explain

S.O.S
 
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#3 ·
There are lots of issues with win 10 that can affect mouse feeling and performance, not to mention video card settings. What are your nvidia settings? Global, or the game/app you are trying?

Try each of the following one by one,then together to see if it improves the feeling

Right click the game EXE and go to compatibility.
Disable hih dpi scaling applied by the system (win10 tries to modify mouse input see link below)
Disable full screen optimization
Run as admin (my mouse sensitivty changes with this in cs 1.6 with and without raw input)

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2907016/mouse-input-in-some-games-is-incorrectly-scaled-on-high-dpi-devices

Then make sure you disable xbox, game mode features
Go to windows 10 settings menu then game section settings, disable all features and options

Change your windows power profile to high performance
In the advanced settings also disbale usb selective suspend

In device manager right click each usb root hub and make sure in power management you uncheck allow this device to be powered off.
 
#5 ·
But i disable all the USB 3.0 ,and just use the usb2 port that came with this motherboard, and usually use the USB-C port which is special port, but still the same.

And is floaty like a boat or ship, maybe this is because some electricity fault i dont know you can see this POWER-CORD how weird is the picture

Look i dont know if that the problem
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#6 ·
You not be better gamer with a more stable polling rate. Starcraft 2 Byun one of the biggest gamers not really care about that
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When i was younger i also did that kind of stuff, but its all in the head. it not really care. Just play more and practice more, thats what all pro gamers do if they want to get better.
 
#7 ·
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Originally Posted by pruik6 View Post

You not be better gamer with a more stable polling rate. Starcraft 2 Byun one of the biggest gamers not really care about that
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When i was younger i also did that kind of stuff, but its all in the head. it not really care. Just play more and practice more, thats what all pro gamers do if they want to get better.
Strategy vs fps mouse control importance is different in whole another level. Strategy games is more tolerant in misclicking than fps. Also in SC2, keyboards plays half the role. If you don't believe me, try asking SC2 pro to play with cheapo logitech office keyboard against another pros with mech keyboard of his/her choice.

Play more and practice more that is just half correct. The quality of the practice does matter as well. If you're not practicing in the proper way, you'll end up with bad habit. Bad habit is a pain in the arse to deal with.
 
#8 ·
I have the AB350 Pro4 and the same problem. As I see the problem in the XHCI Hand-Off (it's turned on and hidden in the BIOS) and 32 bits of hpet (it's turned on by default and there's no way to switch to 64 bits). I have already unsubscribed from the BIOS so that I can add support for setting this in the BIOS so that the OS has exclusive access to and management of USB (at the moment everything is done via UEFI, and it uses the ACPI PM timer, for sure) and the HPET timer works as expected 64 bit mode.
You can of course change XHCI Hand-off with AMIBCP and flash it with a programmer, but considering the new AMD PSP, it's not a fact that it will launch this modified BIOS.
 
#9 ·
I use Asus P8-Z77-PRO motherboard (yes it's the old Z77). All my mice's polling rates are the same unstable on all of my USB ports. So I don't care about that anymore. I have to ignore that.
 
#11 ·
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Originally Posted by Melan View Post

If you have asmedia usb controller, I suggest you disable it in bios. Their drivers are catastrophically bad for W10. I used to have polling issues with z77-v pro in w10, but disabling asmedia usb cotroller fixed it.
This motherboard has both asmedia and intel controller. If I disable the asmedia controller I guess there will not be many usb port left for me. But I'll try it tonight.
BTW, I tried plugging the mouse into the intel controller ports, but the results are the same.

This also remind me of the modified version of drivers some thread mentioned before. I'll try that too.
 
#12 ·
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Originally Posted by Zavtraman View Post

I have the AB350 Pro4 and the same problem. As I see the problem in the XHCI Hand-Off (it's turned on and hidden in the BIOS) and 32 bits of hpet (it's turned on by default and there's no way to switch to 64 bits). I have already unsubscribed from the BIOS so that I can add support for setting this in the BIOS so that the OS has exclusive access to and management of USB (at the moment everything is done via UEFI, and it uses the ACPI PM timer, for sure) and the HPET timer works as expected 64 bit mode.
You can of course change XHCI Hand-off with AMIBCP and flash it with a programmer, but considering the new AMD PSP, it's not a fact that it will launch this modified BIOS.
Wow do you think that you can explain me more about that? i'm really trying to figure how to fix this issue, it is very difficul to me, to put a stun on games such heroes of the storm, dota etc

Is like i dont know what to do, when there are a battle of 5 vs 5 i lost myself, i get anxius like where should i aiming? with the skill like im start to running in circles or backwards it is very
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sad. hope you can help me a little me bro thank you, also i do have a .7zip of my bios files

http://www.mediafire.com/file/264dbklkv5a3dq5/MyBiosPicturesDefault.7z
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by Melan View Post

If you have asmedia usb controller, I suggest you disable it in bios. Their drivers are catastrophically bad for W10. I used to have polling issues with z77-v pro in w10, but disabling asmedia usb cotroller fixed it.
well i dont know but i have tried to find the... ASMEDIA controller through my bios but i dont know where is that thing
These are my bios compressed into a 7.zip if you can check that, i will highly appreciate i tried to be so clean when taking pictures with the F12 key and usb throught bios.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/264dbklkv5a3dq5/MyBiosPicturesDefault.7z
 
#14 ·
x58haze At the moment there is no solution to this problem accurately. I already answered XHCI Hand-Off, and wrote that the setting will be available in the following bios if the developers determine that it affects the problems I have mentioned (unstable USB polling frequency). HPET was asked in detail, I gave them all the data, in particular the fact that they have a bit of compatibility for 32 bits and HPET can not work in 64 bit mode. Tomorrow I think will answer.
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by Zavtraman View Post

x58haze At the moment there is no solution to this problem accurately. I already answered XHCI Hand-Off, and wrote that the setting will be available in the following bios if the developers determine that it affects the problems I have mentioned (unstable USB polling frequency). HPET was asked in detail, I gave them all the data, in particular the fact that they have a bit of compatibility for 32 bits and HPET can not work in 64 bit mode. Tomorrow I think will answer.
Oh i see all i have is a ACPI HPET Table Enale, Disable, Default which is HPET but i dont know if that is 32 or 64...

but in windows 7 with 64 bytes i did 4 test, BIOS ENABLE, WINDOWS ENALBE = not good timing 1.1, BIos disable, windows disable = better, Windows enable, Bios Disable = not good

The only good was Windows Hpet disable, Bios Enable, on windows 7 64 bit Ryzen.

Now in windows 10 by default was disable the HPET, and i hpet bios auto, which i guess become ENABLe, to give the best, at least for me on this hardware, maybe with that HPET enable on 64 bit would be better?

So we are waiting for a new bios upcoming you say? that allow us to change between 32-64 bit in hPET?, then to enable or disable XHCI?
 
#18 ·
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Originally Posted by Zavtraman View Post

x58haze At the moment there is no solution to this problem accurately. I already answered XHCI Hand-Off, and wrote that the setting will be available in the following bios if the developers determine that it affects the problems I have mentioned (unstable USB polling frequency). HPET was asked in detail, I gave them all the data, in particular the fact that they have a bit of compatibility for 32 bits and HPET can not work in 64 bit mode. Tomorrow I think will answer.
Also i notice there is something wrong maybe with my motherboard, why i cannot acces to this options? they are like locked i cannot press enter or clicked
The PROM1-PROM2-PROM4 seems to be locked


And something weird to is that in my asrock ab350 in the manufacturer site they say that i can changes polling rate with the F-PORTS, i already connected my mouse in those ports, but when opening Software the are like missing features:

This is my picture of the software (there are not tools feature)


And this one is from Asrock ab350 fatality same motherboard, but this one comes with tools options and more features..


So i really dont know whats going on, also i have tried 3.0 mouse , and 2.0 in those f-ports and still not unlocking features, and i ensure to have WIndows 10 latest drivers from AMD chipset and the f-stream from manufacture.

And this one is the PCB layout mobo:
 
#19 ·
Ohh, I did a lot of work, got to the point that I modified BIOS, cut off XHCI hand-off, chipset power save function, SB bus Spread Specrum, to get exactly 100 MHz on the bus. It turned out all much simpler, unstable polling frequency due to SMT or maybe a bad Windows scheduler. As a result, I returned the official BIOS back, with XHCI hand-off enabled, etc. Just turned off the SMT, turned off the C state in the windows completely, so that SenseMI would not skip the frequency, and even in the P8 state, 1550 MHz was given a less stable polling frequency.
By the way, for the adjustment of the HPET timer, the AGESA code answers, and not the BIOS manufacturers, I already wrote AMD with a request to explain why they use the 32 bit mode for HPET on a platform that officially supports only 64 bit OS.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by Zavtraman View Post

Ohh, I did a lot of work, got to the point that I modified BIOS, cut off XHCI hand-off, chipset power save function, SB bus Spread Specrum, to get exactly 100 MHz on the bus. It turned out all much simpler, unstable polling frequency due to SMT or maybe a bad Windows scheduler. As a result, I returned the official BIOS back, with XHCI hand-off enabled, etc. Just turned off the SMT, turned off the C state in the windows completely, so that SenseMI would not skip the frequency, and even in the P8 state, 1550 MHz was given a less stable polling frequency.
By the way, for the adjustment of the HPET timer, the AGESA code answers, and not the BIOS manufacturers, I already wrote AMD with a request to explain why they use the 32 bit mode for HPET on a platform that officially supports only 64 bit OS.
Wow you put alot of effort there, but may ask you a question, whats your Motheboard? and what bios version do you have, because right now i have this mobo ab350 fatality k4 gaming with agesa 1.006 a now they release 1.0.0.6 b<-- for x370 Taichi i guess, but it seems not to be an Official Bios yet

When you say you modified the bios, how did you do that? and Cut XHCI HAND-off does that mean you use a software or program to disable internally the XHCI or your mobo came with XHCI options?

All I did was: Disable AMD COOL&QUIET, C6, C-states, Super IO configuration which are those ports for printers etc, HPET to disable, SMT disable, XHCI controllers option through bios,

And these options like:
by putting al disable doesn't make anything, problem persist

So maybe we need to find a way to unlock functions? in our bios, like the hpet 32, the asmedia disable internally.. because i cannot find any asmedia options out there.
 
#24 ·
x58haze, AB350 Pro4 with 3.00 BIOS, default settings except for CSM off, and SMT respectively. For the duration of testing, the C state was turned off using the windows power plan settings (hidden setting "processor idle disable"). Modify AMIBCP 5.2.0.23 and uninstalling Secure Flash Capsule, or reassemble using UBU.
I think tomorrow for our boards will release version 3.10 bios, given that it makes no sense to modify now and you can just turn off SMT in the OC Tweaker tab, you should not think about it. Simply default settings + SMT off. In just one way or another, the frequency will be unstable due to SenseMI, but in games with everything will be fine.
I have the latest clean Win10 15063.540 and ONLY the latest drivers AMD Chipset and NVIDIA 385.41.
P.S. I from Russia.
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by Zavtraman View Post

x58haze, AB350 Pro4 with 3.00 BIOS, default settings except for CSM off, and SMT respectively. For the duration of testing, the C state was turned off using the windows power plan settings (hidden setting "processor idle disable"). Modify AMIBCP 5.2.0.23 and uninstalling Secure Flash Capsule, or reassemble using UBU.
I think tomorrow for our boards will release version 3.10 bios, given that it makes no sense to modify now and you can just turn off SMT in the OC Tweaker tab, you should not think about it. Simply default settings + SMT off. In just one way or another, the frequency will be unstable due to SenseMI, but in games with everything will be fine.
I have the latest clean Win10 15063.540 and ONLY the latest drivers AMD Chipset and NVIDIA 385.41.
P.S. I from Russia.
Oh thats Amazing from Russia Privet, actually my name is Yuriy Yakimov, my dad is Russian, but sadly i don't speak the language, because my mom is Venezuelan, and our main tongue is Spanish and if you know has been know that, moms are the ones that teach kids their tongue, more than fathers heheh

But okay, does this Modify AMIBCP 5.2.0.23 <-- it is safe to use?

And yeah i have unlocked all the battery profiles settings for Proccesor which is alot...

So it is better to leave Bios default, and just turn off SMT in OC-Tweaker tab? and then in Windows, disable core-parking through options, righ, and wait for the bios 1.0.06 b? or version 3.10. for our mobos?

Cheers from Venezuela a son of Russian and Mom Venezuelan.
 
#26 ·
x58haze, now just set default settings and then turn off SMT, set the memory frequency, if you do this. Tomorrow, just flush the new version of bios and do the same. In Windows, I would recommend that you edit the high-performance plan, because AMD Ryzen Balanced plan is too energy-saving in terms of SATA devices and PCIEx bus (PCIEx ASPM), which causes some delays too. Just put a plan for high performance and change the minimum state of the processor to 5, instead of 100.
 
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