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Just another step towards outlawing driving for the peasants
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I use to own a v12 and currently still have a v8 in the stable. I'd commute in an electric car but for a weekend car I'd need something that kills the planet. wink.gif
post #13 of 424
I would love to trade my Camaro for a Tesla. Big Electric Motor will push you into your seat with no issue. A 480HP V8 doesn't stand a chance.

Torque Baby. I'm all for Electric.

Would love to see a Hybrid Truck as well. Electric for the Torque, Gas for the Cruse.

Still would never own a ugly Prius though.
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Lithium is a natural salt collected in brine pools. The rest of the battery is near 100% recyclable. The biggest drawback on LiOn is longevity, but that is getting better.

The Lithium fears need to stop. You can even go soak in Lithium rich hotsprings that naturally accure.

There's a lot of natural substances that have issues with nature, like oil. I could choose to blindly believe you that these batteries will naturally degrade and that they're already being recycled at 100%. OR, I can listen to experts talk about the issue with lithium ion batteries, and read research papers proposing methods of recycling these forms of waste.. Which do you think I'll believe the most?

Like I said before, my primary concern when buying an electric car is longevity of the battery (and also safety.. fire is bad). My second concern is environmental, will I be simply substituting one form of waste for another? They're already pushing new recycling techniques, which is encouraging. And no, so far no recycling technique actually extracts lithium for reuse... instead they neutralize it creating waste. Look into it instead of blindly believing all is well.
post #15 of 424
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Actually I'm more worried about lithium ion recycling and how long the batteries last. I live in Quebec (Canada) so electricity is rather cheap here thanks to our hydroelectric damns.

It's certainly an issue to deal with. It's solvable if people are willing to sacrifice some range, but that is a hard sell for most consumers. Moving to lithium titanate cells would mean battery packs would last potentially tens of thousands of full cycles. Side benefit would be that the cells would be so stable that you could charge the pack pretty much as fast as you wanted to and still be safe. Power delivery itself would by far be the limiting factor. They'd essentially last the expected lifespan of the vehicle and then some, not accounting for damage or defect.
post #16 of 424
At first I was like 2022, so far into the future... then I realized it's almost 2018 and we're already in that future and 2022 is just 3 and a bit years away. I wonder if mercedes is just going to dump whole lines of vehicles and drastically change their manufacturing facilities in just 3 years and refuse to sell vehicles people actually want (giving up market share to companies that sell what people want). Or if this is just marketing lies. I wonder what their shareholders think of this "plan".
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One thing I've learned going through the recent Hurricane here in Florida is electric cars are at a major disadvantage in a disaster. You can fill tons of gas tanks and store them... I don't think anyone is going to be storing hot swap batteries anytime soon, let alone have some battery powered charging station in their garage to handle a car's needs.

Hybrid's are going to be the way to go for quite a while IMO.
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Lithium is a natural salt collected in brine pools. The rest of the battery is near 100% recyclable. The biggest drawback on LiOn is longevity, but that is getting better.

The Lithium fears need to stop. You can even go soak in Lithium rich hotsprings that naturally accure.

and Lithium is used to treat mental issues like bipolar disorder, depression, and schitzophrenia, as well as some other medical uses.
People only seem to think it is in flammable batteries though for some reason.
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"I'll buy a new car every 3 years to be more green"

I love how people forget that about half the greenhouse gasses of a vehicle come from actually MAKING it, not using it.
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Considering the first thing that always goes wrong on a Mercedes is something related to the electrics, this is probably not a good decision.

   
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