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[Techcrunch] Mercedes-Benz will electrify its entire car lineup by 2022

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https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/11/mercedes-benz-will-electrify-its-entire-car-lineup-by-2022/



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Mercedes-Benz is the latest automaker to embrace electrification, announcing that it will be electrifying its entire vehicle lineup by 2022. Here's the deal: Mercedes-Benz chief Dieter Zetsche said that the car maker will offer either hybrid or fully electric versions of its vehicles by 2022, adding up to a total of a minimum of 50 new electric model options by that time. Smart, meanwhile, another Daimler-owned sub-brand, will go fully electric by 2020.
This is the inevitable I guess...
 
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I'm glad to see it. It's definitely a step in a positive direction. In before the "hurr durr but the electric grid can't handle it" torrent that is sure to follow.
Actually I'm more worried about lithium ion recycling and how long the batteries last more than anything. I live in Quebec (Canada) so electricity is rather cheap here thanks to our hydroelectric damns.
 
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Key here is the wording...they're going to offer a lot of performance hybrids. Which is great, but to say they're going all EV is wrong. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot given the current, or even 2022 infrastructure unless they plan on investing in it.
 
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Actually I'm more worried about lithium ion recycling and how long the batteries last. I live in Quebec (Canada) so electricity is rather cheap here thanks to our hydroelectric damns.
Lithium is a natural salt collected in brine pools. The rest of the battery is near 100% recyclable. The biggest drawback on LiOn is longevity, but that is getting better.

The Lithium fears need to stop. You can even go soak in Lithium rich hotsprings that naturally accure.
 
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Key here is the wording...they're going to offer a lot of performance hybrids. Which is great, but to say they're going all EV is wrong. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot given the current, or even 2022 infrastructure unless they plan on investing in it.
 
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Key here is the wording...they're going to offer a lot of performance hybrids. Which is great, but to say they're going all EV is wrong. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot given the current, or even 2022 infrastructure unless they plan on investing in it.
Yea, 2020 is just two years away.

All EV is coming, but it will take a few more years than that for the manufacturers to make the switch. Another decade or more for the ICE vehicles to age out of the national fleets.
 
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Lithium is a natural salt collected in brine pools. The rest of the battery is near 100% recyclable. The biggest drawback on LiOn is longevity, but that is getting better.

The Lithium fears need to stop. You can even go soak in Lithium rich hotsprings that naturally accure.
There's a lot of natural substances that have issues with nature, like oil. I could choose to blindly believe you that these batteries will naturally degrade and that they're already being recycled at 100%. OR, I can listen to experts talk about the issue with lithium ion batteries, and read research papers proposing methods of recycling these forms of waste.. Which do you think I'll believe the most?

Like I said before, my primary concern when buying an electric car is longevity of the battery (and also safety.. fire is bad). My second concern is environmental, will I be simply substituting one form of waste for another? They're already pushing new recycling techniques, which is encouraging. And no, so far no recycling technique actually extracts lithium for reuse... instead they neutralize it creating waste. Look into it instead of blindly believing all is well.
 
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Actually I'm more worried about lithium ion recycling and how long the batteries last. I live in Quebec (Canada) so electricity is rather cheap here thanks to our hydroelectric damns.
It's certainly an issue to deal with. It's solvable if people are willing to sacrifice some range, but that is a hard sell for most consumers. Moving to lithium titanate cells would mean battery packs would last potentially tens of thousands of full cycles. Side benefit would be that the cells would be so stable that you could charge the pack pretty much as fast as you wanted to and still be safe. Power delivery itself would by far be the limiting factor. They'd essentially last the expected lifespan of the vehicle and then some, not accounting for damage or defect.
 
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At first I was like 2022, so far into the future... then I realized it's almost 2018 and we're already in that future and 2022 is just 3 and a bit years away. I wonder if mercedes is just going to dump whole lines of vehicles and drastically change their manufacturing facilities in just 3 years and refuse to sell vehicles people actually want (giving up market share to companies that sell what people want). Or if this is just marketing lies. I wonder what their shareholders think of this "plan".
 
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One thing I've learned going through the recent Hurricane here in Florida is electric cars are at a major disadvantage in a disaster. You can fill tons of gas tanks and store them... I don't think anyone is going to be storing hot swap batteries anytime soon, let alone have some battery powered charging station in their garage to handle a car's needs.

Hybrid's are going to be the way to go for quite a while IMO.
 
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Lithium is a natural salt collected in brine pools. The rest of the battery is near 100% recyclable. The biggest drawback on LiOn is longevity, but that is getting better.

The Lithium fears need to stop. You can even go soak in Lithium rich hotsprings that naturally accure.
and Lithium is used to treat mental issues like bipolar disorder, depression, and schitzophrenia, as well as some other medical uses.
People only seem to think it is in flammable batteries though for some reason.
 
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I figured this would be coming when BMW announced something similar a couple of years back. I'm super-happy with my BMW i3; it's the perfect city car. I honestly didn't think I'd love it when I first went to take a look at it, especially seeing as the only other cars I'd ever owned were a 1980 El Camino SS and a Charger R/T. I don't mind conceding that it wouldn't be super practical for people in the hinterlands, but things will get better on that front over time.
 
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Originally Posted by Lee Patekar View Post

There's a lot of natural substances that have issues with nature, like oil. I could choose to blindly believe you that these batteries will naturally degrade and that they're already being recycled at 100%. OR, I can listen to experts talk about the issue with lithium ion batteries, and read research papers proposing methods of recycling these forms of waste.. Which do you think I'll believe the most?

Like I said before, my primary concern when buying an electric car is longevity of the battery (and also safety.. fire is bad). My second concern is environmental, will I be simply substituting one form of waste for another? They're already pushing new recycling techniques, which is encouraging. And no, so far no recycling technique actually extracts lithium for reuse... instead they neutralize it creating waste. Look into it instead of blindly believing all is well.
Check your "experts".

Lithium is gathered the same as other salts. Brine, salty water, is pumped into a large outdoor pool and left to evaporate. It is a very low energy to collect compared to most human endeavors of that scale.

The rest of the battery materials are mainly metals, which are near 100% recyclable. Other fluids are easily neutralized for disposal as well.

If you actually look at the "problem" you are so concerned about you will see it isn't the product. It is the people and how they use and dispose of it.

Do you honestly for a moment think getting fossils fuels is even in the same Universe of safety, compared to Lithium?
 
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Key here is the wording...they're going to offer a lot of performance hybrids. Which is great, but to say they're going all EV is wrong. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot given the current, or even 2022 infrastructure unless they plan on investing in it.
This.

No way in hell would they have gone all in EV by 2022, that's only five years away and while Benz is a power house in including the newest tech that would be a feat for even them.

And with the fall of VW guess its the end of sheep piss in your Benz cars.
 
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and Lithium is used to treat mental issues like bipolar disorder, depression, and schitzophrenia, as well as some other medical uses.
People only seem to think it is in flammable batteries though for some reason.
Lithium batteries burn because short circuits are bad and release a lot of energy very quickly. Lithium salts in drugs don't burst into flames for the same reason table salt doesn't explode or turn into a poison gas. Lithium metal and Lithium (I) ions are not the same; one has already reacted.
 
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The denial in this thread.

They're adding hybrid or full EV variants for their whole lineup, not ditching their AMG gas guzzlers. That said good luck trying to drive anything not hybrid/EV within main cities across Europe in the next few years.

These batteries are 100% recyclable. They're worried about your regular phone/gadget battery disposal, you would be throwing away money by not recycling these as they're pretty expensive even after becoming lifeless.

While you're at it please learn the actual composition of an EV lithium battery. Lithium salts are a small fraction of it and the actual Lithium in them even less.

And for TFSM's sake please realize how you look while refusing progress. You look like carriage fanatics in a world leaving you behind which is quite funny given the forums we are discussing this at.
 
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"I'll buy a new car every 3 years to be more green"

I love how people forget that about half the greenhouse gasses of a vehicle come from actually MAKING it, not using it.
Who are you quoting?
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Originally Posted by Imouto View Post

The denial in this thread.

They're adding hybrid or full EV variants for their whole lineup, not ditching their AMG gas guzzlers. That said good luck trying to drive anything not hybrid/EV within main cities across Europe in the next few years.

These batteries are 100% recyclable. They're worried about your regular phone/gadget battery disposal, you would be throwing away money by not recycling these as they're pretty expensive even after becoming lifeless.

While you're at it please learn the actual composition of an EV lithium battery. Lithium salts are a small fraction of it and the actual Lithium in them even less.

And for TFSM's sake please realize how you look while refusing progress. You look like carriage fanatics in a world leaving you behind which is quite funny given the forums we are discussing this at.
BUT MUH VROOM VROOM! WHY THEY TAKIN AWAY MUH VROOM VROOM? WHAT KINDA YELLUHBELLY DONT ENJOY THE VROOM VROOM AND THE WOOOOOSHHHH VROOM POP? MUH DIESEL. ELECTRIC NON-VROOMY CARS IS FOR LITTLE GIRLY MEN. /s
 
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