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I figured this would be coming when BMW announced something similar a couple of years back. I'm super-happy with my BMW i3; it's the perfect city car. I honestly didn't think I'd love it when I first went to take a look at it, especially seeing as the only other cars I'd ever owned were a 1980 El Camino SS and a Charger R/T. I don't mind conceding that it wouldn't be super practical for people in the hinterlands, but things will get better on that front over time.

     
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There's a lot of natural substances that have issues with nature, like oil. I could choose to blindly believe you that these batteries will naturally degrade and that they're already being recycled at 100%. OR, I can listen to experts talk about the issue with lithium ion batteries, and read research papers proposing methods of recycling these forms of waste.. Which do you think I'll believe the most?

Like I said before, my primary concern when buying an electric car is longevity of the battery (and also safety.. fire is bad). My second concern is environmental, will I be simply substituting one form of waste for another? They're already pushing new recycling techniques, which is encouraging. And no, so far no recycling technique actually extracts lithium for reuse... instead they neutralize it creating waste. Look into it instead of blindly believing all is well.

Check your "experts".

Lithium is gathered the same as other salts. Brine, salty water, is pumped into a large outdoor pool and left to evaporate. It is a very low energy to collect compared to most human endeavors of that scale.

The rest of the battery materials are mainly metals, which are near 100% recyclable. Other fluids are easily neutralized for disposal as well.

If you actually look at the "problem" you are so concerned about you will see it isn't the product. It is the people and how they use and dispose of it.

Do you honestly for a moment think getting fossils fuels is even in the same Universe of safety, compared to Lithium?
    
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Key here is the wording...they're going to offer a lot of performance hybrids. Which is great, but to say they're going all EV is wrong. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot given the current, or even 2022 infrastructure unless they plan on investing in it.

This.

No way in hell would they have gone all in EV by 2022, that's only five years away and while Benz is a power house in including the newest tech that would be a feat for even them.

And with the fall of VW guess its the end of sheep piss in your Benz cars.
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and Lithium is used to treat mental issues like bipolar disorder, depression, and schitzophrenia, as well as some other medical uses.
People only seem to think it is in flammable batteries though for some reason.

Lithium batteries burn because short circuits are bad and release a lot of energy very quickly. Lithium salts in drugs don't burst into flames for the same reason table salt doesn't explode or turn into a poison gas. Lithium metal and Lithium (I) ions are not the same; one has already reacted.
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The denial in this thread.

They're adding hybrid or full EV variants for their whole lineup, not ditching their AMG gas guzzlers. That said good luck trying to drive anything not hybrid/EV within main cities across Europe in the next few years.

These batteries are 100% recyclable. They're worried about your regular phone/gadget battery disposal, you would be throwing away money by not recycling these as they're pretty expensive even after becoming lifeless.

While you're at it please learn the actual composition of an EV lithium battery. Lithium salts are a small fraction of it and the actual Lithium in them even less.

And for TFSM's sake please realize how you look while refusing progress. You look like carriage fanatics in a world leaving you behind which is quite funny given the forums we are discussing this at.
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"I'll buy a new car every 3 years to be more green"

I love how people forget that about half the greenhouse gasses of a vehicle come from actually MAKING it, not using it.

Who are you quoting? rolleyes.gif
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The denial in this thread.

They're adding hybrid or full EV variants for their whole lineup, not ditching their AMG gas guzzlers. That said good luck trying to drive anything not hybrid/EV within main cities across Europe in the next few years.

These batteries are 100% recyclable. They're worried about your regular phone/gadget battery disposal, you would be throwing away money by not recycling these as they're pretty expensive even after becoming lifeless.

While you're at it please learn the actual composition of an EV lithium battery. Lithium salts are a small fraction of it and the actual Lithium in them even less.

And for TFSM's sake please realize how you look while refusing progress. You look like carriage fanatics in a world leaving you behind which is quite funny given the forums we are discussing this at.

BUT MUH VROOM VROOM! WHY THEY TAKIN AWAY MUH VROOM VROOM? WHAT KINDA YELLUHBELLY DONT ENJOY THE VROOM VROOM AND THE WOOOOOSHHHH VROOM POP? MUH DIESEL. ELECTRIC NON-VROOMY CARS IS FOR LITTLE GIRLY MEN. /s
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Yea, 2020 is just two years away.

All EV is coming, but it will take a few more years than that for the manufacturers to make the switch. Another decade or more for the ICE vehicles to age out of the national fleets.

I think that's a huge underestimation. The grasp that oil has on this country...I think we'd see a price battle for a few years at minimum while EV adoption becomes more widespread. Probably wont consider it a threat until 10% global adoption, which is still a ways away.

So, in the near-long term, we may see lower fuel costs if the oil industry starts feeling the pressure...Basically be the oil companies competing with the utilities.
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I think that's a huge underestimation. The grasp that oil has on this country...I think we'd see a price battle for a few years at minimum while EV adoption becomes more widespread. Probably wont consider it a threat until 10% global adoption, which is still a ways away.

So, in the near-long term, we may see lower fuel costs if the oil industry starts feeling the pressure...Basically be the oil companies competing with the utilities.

The power of the oil companies is starting to weaken. Just last month the news blew up about Exxon hiding data that showed how bad oil industry activity really is for the World. Although. with the current systems in place the United States will be one of the last 1st World nations to truly embrace EV.

Their grasp might be weakening, but they still have us by the testicles and it hurts!
    
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The power of the oil companies is starting to weaken. Just last month the news blew up about Exxon hiding data that showed how bad oil industry activity really is for the World. Although. with the current systems in place the United States will be one of the last 1st World nations to truly embrace EV.

Their grasp might be weakening, but they still have us by the testicles and it hurts!

Yeah, Exxon has known about global warming since the '70s and in the '90s/'00s paid people a good deal of money to write papers denying its existence. It's incredibly messed up. Only 3% of peer-reviewed papers disagree with man-made climate change (and assuming a 95% confidence interval typically that's about what we would expect), but those 3% aren't consistent with each other. The conspiracies surrounding climate change aren't the evil globalists lying about it but rather the oil and coal industries pushing a disinformation campaign that has some parallels to the tobacco industry.

Luckily for the oil industry, even if we move fully to solar and wind and electric cars globally, they'll still be relevant. Plastics and materials manufacturing need petroleum for the time being. Distillation of crude oil is the easiest and cheapest way as of now to manufacture thing with long carbon chains. That encompasses practically every manufactured good sold today outside of metal and alloys or wood.
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Lithium batteries burn because short circuits are bad and release a lot of energy very quickly. Lithium salts in drugs don't burst into flames for the same reason table salt doesn't explode or turn into a poison gas. Lithium metal and Lithium (I) ions are not the same; one has already reacted.

Woah. You mean I cant just pour table salt into a container and I have a lithium battery??
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