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This is a mess:

Link

Queue the apologists in 3..2...1 biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by xTesla1856 View Post

This is a mess:

Link

Queue the apologists in 3..2...1 biggrin.gif

A normal response to a vehicle fire.

Your point...If you have one?
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A normal response to a vehicle fire.

Your point...If you have one?
In case of a normal auto they just flood it with special "foam"(IDK whats its official name) and the fire is over. In case of EV's all they can do is continuously cool the battery with water and hope it wont blow up.... Plus for a normal car fire you do not need 5 vehicle and 35 people. rolleyes.gif
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A normal response to a vehicle fire.

Your point...If you have one?

"Normal", sure lachen.gif
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Originally Posted by xTesla1856 View Post

This is a mess:

Link

Queue the apologists in 3..2...1 biggrin.gif

Sure.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested
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In case of a normal auto they just flood it with special "foam"(IDK whats its official name) and the fire is over. In case of EV's all they can do is continuously cool the battery with water and hope it wont blow up.... Plus for a normal car fire you do not need 5 vehicle and 35 people. rolleyes.gif

You didnt need that for the fire that was posted but you always get a lot more crews for car fires anyway.


Google is your friend.

For example. 3 crews attend a car fire that isnt even on fire,just smoking....

http://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/somerset_news/14627349.Three_crews_attend_car_on_fire_on_M5_motorway/

2 trucks collided but no fire....3 units attended...

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-firefighters-during-fire-fighting-operations-involving-two-trucks-24410331.html

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"Normal", sure lachen.gif

Prove otherwise. Picking up a random story and throwing it in isnt smart when you dont have a clue.

Stop coming in with actual facts please,the natives dont like it.
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yeah, Tesla's battery design had it heavily reinforced and has a self-terminating function.
meaning it doesn't get damaged easily nor does it undergo spontaneous combustion.
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Your point...If you have one?
No vroom vroom, no likie.
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You didnt need that for the fire that was posted but you always get a lot more crews for car fires anyway.


Google is your friend.

For example. 3 crews attend a car fire that isnt even on fire,just smoking....

http://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/somerset_news/14627349.Three_crews_attend_car_on_fire_on_M5_motorway/

2 trucks collided but no fire....3 units attended...

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-firefighters-during-fire-fighting-operations-involving-two-trucks-24410331.html
Prove otherwise. Picking up a random story and throwing it in isnt smart when you dont have a clue.
Stop coming in with actual facts please,the natives dont like it.

This is actually a legitimate criticism.
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Tesla publishes emergency response guides for all of its vehicles to help fire departments properly handle accidents involving the high-voltage cars. In the firefighting section of the Model S guide, the company mentions that—because burning lithium-ion batteries release “toxic vapors” including “sulfuric acid, oxides of carbon, nickel, lithium, copper and cobalt”—responders need to wear self contained breathing apparatuses. The section also mentions that, to extinguish a burning battery, responders have to “use large amounts of water to cool the battery.”

For the record normal car fires also release toxic vapors but it appears that both are different, and I'm also wondering which are more severe and more dangerous for your health. Death from inhalation is one of the leading causes of death in any type of fire. The 5 vehicles present don't indicate that they are needed imo, more likely, is that fire departments are simply untrained on how to deal with EV fires. That'll come with time and training. Either regulations mandating EV construction will be instituted or the fire departments will simply innovate and produce their own procedures on how to deal with EV fires.

Either way, this is not a reason to be against EVs, but it is a legitimate concern.
IIHS has named several different cars that are not Tesla as well for current model years (as well as previous). I'm not gonna dispute that Tesla isn't a good vehicle. It is, and their excellent IIHS ratings prove it. Safety is paramount.
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For the record normal car fires also release toxic vapors but it appears that both are different, and I'm also wondering which are more severe and more dangerous for your health. Death from inhalation is one of the leading causes of death in any type of fire. 

 

Usually death from inhalation is related to low O2 content of the gasses rather than the effect of the gas itself - basically asphyxiation. It would have to be a particularly nasty chemical to kill you before you suffocated. Not to say those don't exist - sulphur dioxide is a nasty one, as are chlorine, chlorine dioxide, sulphur trioxide, sulphuric acid, ammonia, etc. Often the more serious effects are chronic (long term) rather than immediate though. Fun fact - when I'm on site I work with all of those and more (sodium chlorate is particularly fun [video, skip to 07:00 for the good bit]).

 

 

The nice thing about a battery fire, if anything about it can be called nice, is that the fire doesn't readily spread. With a gasoline powered vehicle the tank has a high likelihood of rupturing or melting, spreading flammable liquid across a large area. This can cause other vehicles or nearby objects to catch fire, cut off the escape route of any occupants of the vehicle, or make it hard for firefighters to get close to the source of the fire. 

 

Looking at the aftermath of the linked article, the back of the car was relatively untouched by the fire (compared to a gasoline vehicle fire). Any passengers in there would likely have had plenty of time to escape the fire. 

 

 

It is still something that needs to be considered, for sure, but I don't see it as being any worse than a gasoline vehicle fire. If anything it may be better.


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