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i dont get people these days. If I had the cash I would rather spend that kind of money on PC hardware but people are so easily ready to jump on a phone over 1K. Its just a phone. I really dont get it.
What if you already spent 10k on your PC? And have the iPhone forever plan that gets you a new one iPhone every year.
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What if you already spent 10k on your PC? And have the iPhone forever plan that gets you a new one iPhone every year.

Or if you bought the 32gb iPhone 4 seven years ago and want a new flagship for the next seven years. Even though I hate not hiding the notch I'm still considering buying it.
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Soon its will all be about which phone/camera has the best SOC. Sure DSLR have big glass bu they are dont have very good image processors that keep up with the speed and R&D of smartphones.

Given that DSLR's are slowly dying off in favour of mirrorless ILC's (interchangeable lens camera), and that there are some rather wonderful image processors in the 2017 gear... I don't quite see how a phone will outperform a dedicated camera for critical work. Most phones you still can't easily control aperture, for example,whereas even a basic Canon Rebel, Nikon D3xxx, Panasonic G7 (or G85), Fuji X-T10/Xpro, or other entry level camera can do with the basic kit lens.

Additionally, low light performance from a phone is always going to be behind that of even a micro four thirds camera simply due to the fact you can only do so much with a tiny sensor.

Phones have improved significantly, but the biggest issue is form factor - you can only cram so much in when you're restricted to half an inch thickness or less, especially when said device is going to be judged based upon every additional gram it has over the competition.
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Given that DSLR's are slowly dying off in favour of mirrorless ILC's (interchangeable lens camera), and that there are some rather wonderful image processors in the 2017 gear... I don't quite see how a phone will outperform a dedicated camera for critical work. Most phones you still can't easily control aperture, for example,whereas even a basic Canon Rebel, Nikon D3xxx, Panasonic G7 (or G85), Fuji X-T10/Xpro, or other entry level camera can do with the basic kit lens.

Additionally, low light performance from a phone is always going to be behind that of even a micro four thirds camera simply due to the fact you can only do so much with a tiny sensor.

Phones have improved significantly, but the biggest issue is form factor - you can only cram so much in when you're restricted to half an inch thickness or less, especially when said device is going to be judged based upon every additional gram it has over the competition.

Yes phone will be physically limited but at the same time you can have stuff like AI to edit the photo in the fly. You probably will still need real gear to get the last 10% but getting to 90% with software is where phones are heading. Cameras are pointless these days. I got my DSRL about 3 years ago and never use it now because since my Galaxy S6 the quality of my photos has been enough.
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Apple used to be technology ahead while Jobs was alive so android stole designs from it, but then iphone was so behind and even needs to use samsung screen and calls it innovation and iphone x, a copy cat of androids, the future of smartphone.
How is it behind? It's got some of the most powerful hardware in a smartphone and iOS is very popular.
I also fail to see how it's a negative that Apple is using screens from Samsung. They produce screens... I'm sure Apple isn't their only customer.
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Are we at this point in the conversation where people are arguing the idea of 'I can't afford it, so I'm going to criticize it'?

I've slowed down a bit in the past couple of years, but I buy phones and GPUs because I can and I enjoy them. They're also something that I can push to their limits and justify upgrading because they're 2 things I use quite a lot of in my life. If you're happy with your flawed $300 handsets, that's cool....but criticizing others because you can't/won't/don't use a device to it's potential....rolleyes.gif.
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Sorry if this comment offends you, but tbh this picture is nowhere near acceptable "technically" in the photography world. No foreground blur (we camera freaks call it bokeh), background bokeh is absolutely fake (it is), and most important, the transition of main object vs background/foreground is terrible.

However, you did a good job getting the expression of your model thumb.gif. That's the advantage of smartphones, you can always carry them along and capture precious moments in a blink.

Yeah, and I'm fine with it not being perfect. I don't take offense to it tongue.gif. Even if the phone offered the specs to make it perfect, I'm not a perfect cameraman and never will be biggrin.gif.

However, I'm not a camera junkie and don't have the desire to spend the big bucks on a 'one-trick' pony camera that I'm not going to use anywhere near it's full potential. I mean, I'm all for it and I get why people invest in DSLRs and high-end cameras, but I'm just not that person. I really desire a good camera with good low-light performance and I'm generally very happy. I've only recently started taking a lot of pictures again and that's because of my puppy.
 
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How is it behind? It's got some of the most powerful hardware in a smartphone and iOS is very popular.
I also fail to see how it's a negative that Apple is using screens from Samsung. They produce screens... I'm sure Apple isn't their only customer.

Apple doesn't make screens so it's always going to be behind in making screens and will just buy from LG once they can compete with Samsung. The Samsung Note 7 was the first Android device to have OLED screens bright enough to be hdr compatible.

Apple was the first to hit 4k60 encode and it remains to be seen how much of a lead they can hold with it until they start using 4k60 encode with a 10 bit recorder for hdr.
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Well Apple claims the screen is innovative and break through in the key note, never mention they just bought from someone.

This is stupid. Of course they wouldn't mention it. Why would they? They're not morons and a Keynote is an official announcement for the media and industry leaders, not technology enthusiasts who scrutinize literally everything.
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Iphone x catches up a lot but there is nothing innoative except the cpu is ok fast

Ok fast? iPhone hardware has been ahead of their android counterparts for years now. Iphone has been consistently ahead of Android in many different ways. Not to mention their memory management is fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCFpgknkqRE
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/6
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9558/the-samsung-galaxy-note5-and-galaxy-s6-edge-review/4

iPhone is better than Android on many different levels especially in terms of refinement and consistency. It's a constant tradeoff. Android has to sacrifice quite a bit, but in return it has much more customization, many more choices, constantly new devices, and as a result, the latest features. This is coming from a guy who's owned an S4, Note 3, Note 5, Note 7, G5, V10, a V20, ordered a V30, and will probably order an iPhone 8+. I've also owned both the iPhone 5s, 6, 6S, and 7.
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its one of the advantages in a closed environment, they can strictly supervise apps development, making them a lot more refined than in an open environment.
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Yes phone will be physically limited but at the same time you can have stuff like AI to edit the photo in the fly. You probably will still need real gear to get the last 10% but getting to 90% with software is where phones are heading. Cameras are pointless these days. I got my DSRL about 3 years ago and never use it now because since my Galaxy S6 the quality of my photos has been enough.

Most cameras have a lot of those features built into them, and you can do a great deal of editing either on the body's touchscreen itself, or via the app being connected through bluetooth or localized wifi. I wouldn't call something pointless because it doesn't fit in your pocket and have eighteen other features to go with it. Is a full bodied camera as convenient to carry as a phone? Nope, but it has a lot more usage scenarios where it will come out leaps and bounds ahead of any camera phone.

A cameraphone will do fairly well for close ups and in low light, but can easily lose a lot of detail or dynamic range due to low light, or attempting to have more in the shot because they have a bad habit of being fully open for every shot due to lack of aperture control, or other things like shooting even remotely towards the sun.

For the average Joe, yup, a basic cameraphone will definitely do the trick. For anyone wanting to publish or share their work even semi-professionally, or who want quality low noise footage (or still shots) the cameras built into phones are still leagues away from offering those proper finishing touches. They're getting better, but a $1k phone isn't going to have the same versatility and usefulness in the camera department as a $1k ILC will. On the flipside, I can't play Hearthstone on the camera. tongue.gif
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However, I'm not a camera junkie and don't have the desire to spend the big bucks on a 'one-trick' pony camera that I'm not going to use anywhere near it's full potential. I mean, I'm all for it and I get why people invest in DSLRs and high-end cameras, but I'm just not that person. I really desire a good camera with good low-light performance and I'm generally very happy. I've only recently started taking a lot of pictures again and that's because of my puppy.

That's why I'm probably buying a one trick pony (video is its biggest strength) that has a really neat trick or two up it's sleeve (pretty good still photography), aka the Panasonic G85... As well as another one trick pony that fits into a pocket and has a lot of neat features (Fuji X100F)

I definitely support and endorse puppies helping out with photography as they also make great subjects for testing out what a camera can do (especially autofocus), and they can also be somewhat unpredictable if they choose to be (or better yet, have those floppy ears that burst shooting can immortalize tongue.gif)

... But I'm also planning on having a backpack to carry it and a bunch of other things in (namely lunch, a drone, and of course a hoodie and spare camera gear) because I go pretty much everywhere with my backpack.
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