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Panasonic's GH5 can do 4k60 10-bit 4:2:2 encoding internally with the v2 firmware, but it's an actual Ilc, and can have a much larger body (people would probably riot if a company tried to come out with a phone as big as the GH5 tongue.gif). Bonus is that it's at 400Mbps too. As for phones that have the capability, rumours (and hope) point towards such being possible with the Red Hydrogen, but such hasn't been confirmed yet.

I am sure iPhone can easily do 4K60 10-Bit 4:2:2. It has the speed from the storage and has superior SOC.
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Panasonic's GH5 can do 4k60 10-bit 4:2:2 encoding internally with the v2 firmware, but it's an actual Ilc, and can have a much larger body (people would probably riot if a company tried to come out with a phone as big as the GH5 tongue.gif). Bonus is that it's at 400Mbps too. As for phones that have the capability, rumours (and hope) point towards such being possible with the Red Hydrogen, but such hasn't been confirmed yet.

People didn't riot they just didn't buy them

Samsung Galaxy Camera, remember?
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/18/technology/iphone-8-plus-photos/index.html



iPhone 8+ portrait mode. Not sure if post editing was done though I am interested in reading critiques from the photo junkies on its bokeh effect.
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Panasonic's GH5 can do 4k60 10-bit 4:2:2 encoding internally with the v2 firmware, but it's an actual Ilc, and can have a much larger body (people would probably riot if a company tried to come out with a phone as big as the GH5 tongue.gif). Bonus is that it's at 400Mbps too. As for phones that have the capability, rumours (and hope) point towards such being possible with the Red Hydrogen, but such hasn't been confirmed yet.
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I am sure iPhone can easily do 4K60 10-Bit 4:2:2. It has the speed from the storage and has superior SOC.

If the iPhone x can take hdr photos but not record hdr does it mean a software update could support 10 bit recording? I'm wondering if they are intentionally holding back or if it was a compromise.

https://www.cinema5d.com/apple-adds-4k-60p-hevc-to-iphone-8-and-iphone-x/
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For me, I’m a tad disappointed that Apple has finally included an OLED HDR display on one of its phones, and yet hasn’t seen fit to include 10-bit recording
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People didn't riot they just didn't buy them

Samsung Galaxy Camera, remember?

I do indeed remember that one... But I also remember it being point and shoot size. A Panasonic GH5 is significantly larger than that. Now, if you were to say the Galaxy Camera NX, which had an APS-C sensor in it, we're talking almost the same width (GH5 is 3mm wider), almost the same height (GH5 is 3mm shorter), and the GH5 is noticeably thicker (87mm vs 25mm thick), to which I'll agree it's definitely too thick for a phone in the pocket.

Weren't they also a not so great phone, and had slow autofocus and camera start up times too?
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/18/technology/iphone-8-plus-photos/index.html



iPhone 8+ portrait mode. Not sure if post editing was done though I am interested in reading critiques from the photo junkies on its bokeh effect.

If the iPhone x can take hdr photos but not record hdr does it mean a software update could support 10 bit recording? I'm wondering if they are intentionally holding back or if it was a compromise.

https://www.cinema5d.com/apple-adds-4k-60p-hevc-to-iphone-8-and-iphone-x/

While I'm enthusiastic about cameras, I'm not the right guy to comment about bokeh because I dont really care about such. Weird, I know tongue.gif

As for HDR video, my biggest inquiry would be as to just how long a relatively small device as the iPhone would be able to last before having to stop due to heat... Recording at 10-bit 4:2:2 puts out a ton of heat, even Atomos recorders like the Ninja Flame are known for getting warm while doing such, and they have a fairly large passive heatsink on them. Would be awesome if it could do a five minute stint of such at 150Mbps though, imagine the portability in your pocket!
Edited by WhiteWulfe - 9/21/17 at 7:19am
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I do indeed remember that one... But I also remember it being point and shoot size. A Panasonic GH5 is significantly larger than that. Now, if you were to say the Galaxy Camera NX, which had an APS-C sensor in it, we're talking almost the same width (GH5 is 3mm wider), almost the same height (GH5 is 3mm shorter), and the GH5 is noticeably thicker (87mm vs 25mm thick), to which I'll agree it's definitely too thick for a phone in the pocket.

Weren't they also a not so great phone, and had slow autofocus and camera start up times too?

Galaxy Camera yeah but the Galaxy Camera 2 fixed a lot of the issues. Didn't help that at the time TouchWiz was bloated like a dead corpse that's been in bathtub for weeks.
But the Galaxy Cam proved at the time that people didn't care about having a good shooter as long as it was good enough. If Samsung wanted too they probably could give us another Galaxy Camera that was pretty much a full on mirror less and or DSLR but it won't sell. Because the cams on iPhone/Galaxy normal's are good enough.

Now with Red's new phone is just another implementation of Moto Mods and we all saw how that went.
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Galaxy Camera yeah but the Galaxy Camera 2 fixed a lot of the issues. Didn't help that at the time TouchWiz was bloated like a dead corpse that's been in bathtub for weeks.
But the Galaxy Cam proved at the time that people didn't care about having a good shooter as long as it was good enough. If Samsung wanted too they probably could give us another Galaxy Camera that was pretty much a full on mirror less and or DSLR but it won't sell. Because the cams on iPhone/Galaxy normal's are good enough.

Now with Red's new phone is just another implementation of Moto Mods and we all saw how that went.

Ah, I didn't know about the Galaxy Camera 2. I think another issue is people don't want to cram a phone and a camera together into one hybrid behemoth, especially since good luck fitting that into your pocket, doubly so if they use detachable lenses.

As for the Red phone, it's hard to say, if it has decent features there's at least a chance the die hard Red fans will buy it, and even some people who are willing to spend more to get that hybrid of a good camera and a good phone, but only time will tell. The Hydrogen will definitely have a smaller appeal to people in comparison to the iPhone X or the Note 8 though, both of which are several hundred dollars cheaper... And probably half the cost once you factor in the proper lens (which has aperture control, thank the gods!) and the obligatory two or three accessories you have to buy to make it fully functional (aka the "Red tax")
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Apple used to be technology ahead while Jobs was alive so android stole designs from it, but then iphone was so behind and even needs to use samsung screen and calls it innovation and iphone x, a copy cat of androids, the future of smartphone.

This is an absurd claim that has no argument backing itself up.
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The way I see it they are finally getting close to an S7.

They've been ahead of the S7 since the iPhone 7 came out.
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Yeah being able to buy a Xiaomi A1(4gb RAM, 64Gb storage with SD Card) for 240$ is totally a bad thing.
Taking in consideration how restrictive iOS is, it should use less RAM.

I'm not saying more RAM isn't always better. I'm just saying that Android's memory management is flawed compared to iOS.

I don't think iOS is any less restrictive than an unrooted Android phone, especially highly modified crappy versions of Android like the ones Samsung poops out.

I am by no means a Apple fanboy. That would actually be fighting words. biggrin.gif I'm neutral. That is just my conclusion by using both Android and iOS everyday. Just like a PC though everyone has different needs for their phone so I guess its subjective. Its hard to deny that iOS memory management is better however. I really don't think iOS is "far behind" Android. Maybe it is in some areas...but the same could be said vice versa. I think its just a personal preference of an OS.
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As for the Red phone, it's hard to say, if it has decent features there's at least a chance the die hard Red fans will buy it, and even some people who are willing to spend more to get that hybrid of a good camera and a good phone, but only time will tell. The Hydrogen will definitely have a smaller appeal to people in comparison to the iPhone X or the Note 8 though, both of which are several hundred dollars cheaper... And probably half the cost once you factor in the proper lens (which has aperture control, thank the gods!) and the obligatory two or three accessories you have to buy to make it fully functional (aka the "Red tax")

It's success is going to come largely from its partnership with Leia Inc. and how well it's Diffractive Lightfield Backlighting technology is and the amount of .h4v content available.

Edit: as well as if it is the first smart phone vendor to encode 4k60 10 bit.
Edited by New green - 9/21/17 at 7:44am
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It's success is going to come largely from its partnership with Leia Inc. and how well it's Diffractive Lightfield Backlighting technology is and the amount of .h4v content available.

Edit: as well as if it is the first smart phone vendor to encode 4k60 10 bit.

True, that holographic display will make or break it for a number of people. Myself, I'm just hoping that the camera attachment is a really nice one... All we have to go on so far are some patent files that have been found regarding it, and they don't reveal what kind of sensors you can add on just yet. APS-C and Nikon, Canon, or Sigma lenses in a small form factor though could be rather useful for those wanting easily pocketed convenience with just a few compromises.

Most will probably be more interested in the screen though, like you mentioned.
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