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I have both at home including iphone and ipad.

You even have a new account called iphone8 you have established enough credibility in my book. thumb.gif


iPhone 7 camera with plenty light comes close or even beats the quality of entry level DSLR. In low light it really can't compete. Even my old Canon 7D with 17-55mm lenses beat the iPhone 7 camera in terms of quality. You have endless options with a DSLR, but let's face most people do t haul around a DSLR in their front pocket. Having a phone that takes great pictures no matter the manufacturer is a win for everyone.
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This is an absurd claim that has no argument backing itself up.
They've been ahead of the S7 since the iPhone 7 came out.

As an previous owner of the S6 and the iPhone 7+, when it comes to camera IQ and processing, that statement is false. Between personal use and most (all?) reviews the S7-S8's only rival has been the Pixel.
 
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As an previous owner of the S6 and the iPhone 7+, when it comes to camera IQ and processing, that statement is false. Between personal use and most (all?) reviews the S7-S8's only rival has been the Pixel.

I had the same expedience. S7/S8 > iPhone 7 camera.
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As an previous owner of the S6 and the iPhone 7+, when it comes to camera IQ and processing, that statement is false. Between personal use and most (all?) reviews the S7-S8's only rival has been the Pixel.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus-review/7
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In the interest of trying to not just take a single landscape photo and declare it to be a representative sample for all photos ever taken of all time with a smartphone in daytime conditions, I went ahead and took another sample shot of a mostly static subject. Here the iPhone 7 Plus in 1x mode is pretty much comparable to the iPhone 6s and Galaxy S7 as far as detail goes. I would argue that the HTC 10 captures slightly more detail at the center, but this probably isn't a surprise when the sensor is significantly larger. It's also worth noting that the iPhone 7 Plus manages to show better dynamic range here as the highlights off to the right retain more color detail than most devices tested and the shadows contain more detail that what is found on the Galaxy S7 or the iPhone 6s Plus. Once again, at 2x the iPhone 7 Plus is really just ridiculously good at capturing the sheer amount of detail that the tree has which isn't really captured by the 1x mode as most of the detail has to be blurred away to avoid aliasing. It's truly impressive how the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are actually capable of keeping up with the Galaxy S7 despite a smaller sensor, and we're really seeing the product of Apple's ISP lead here.
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Overall, the iPhone 7 camera is impressive and I would argue is holistically a better camera for still photos than the Galaxy S7 on the basis of more accurate color rendition, cleaner noise reduction, and lack of aggressive sharpening.

Yeah... no. Pixel doesn't even have hardware image stabilization, which is fine. Their software image stabilization is really impressive and I've seen it an action. As an owner of multiple Android flagships, iPhones, and so on. iPhone cameras have always been absolutely excellent and never significantly inferior (in fact they're usually superior at release) to their Android counterparts.

EDIT: Speaking of anandtech, I really miss Ryan Smith's writeups on smartphones. Those were the best articles on mobile out there.
Edited by HanSomPa - 9/21/17 at 2:07pm
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus-review/7
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In the interest of trying to not just take a single landscape photo and declare it to be a representative sample for all photos ever taken of all time with a smartphone in daytime conditions, I went ahead and took another sample shot of a mostly static subject. Here the iPhone 7 Plus in 1x mode is pretty much comparable to the iPhone 6s and Galaxy S7 as far as detail goes. I would argue that the HTC 10 captures slightly more detail at the center, but this probably isn't a surprise when the sensor is significantly larger. It's also worth noting that the iPhone 7 Plus manages to show better dynamic range here as the highlights off to the right retain more color detail than most devices tested and the shadows contain more detail that what is found on the Galaxy S7 or the iPhone 6s Plus. Once again, at 2x the iPhone 7 Plus is really just ridiculously good at capturing the sheer amount of detail that the tree has which isn't really captured by the 1x mode as most of the detail has to be blurred away to avoid aliasing. It's truly impressive how the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are actually capable of keeping up with the Galaxy S7 despite a smaller sensor, and we're really seeing the product of Apple's ISP lead here.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Overall, the iPhone 7 camera is impressive and I would argue is holistically a better camera for still photos than the Galaxy S7 on the basis of more accurate color rendition, cleaner noise reduction, and lack of aggressive sharpening.

Yeah... no. Pixel doesn't even have hardware image stabilization, which is fine. Their software image stabilization is really impressive and I've seen it an action. As an owner of multiple Android flagships, iPhones, and so on. iPhone cameras have always been absolutely excellent and never significantly inferior (in fact they're usually superior at release) to their Android counterparts.

EDIT: Speaking of anandtech, I really miss Ryan Smith's writeups on smartphones. Those were the best articles on mobile out there.

I recommend talking this article with a grain of salt. Anandtech is not a site for camera reviewing. U can have a look at DXOmark, they are professionals in cameras and now have a dedicated segment for mobiles.

I called bs on this sentence btw.
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"It's truly impressive how the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are actually capable of keeping up with the Galaxy S7 despite a smaller sensor"
Those sensors are both from Sony, using a same tech and have same pixel counts. The smaller one is worse, period.
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I recommend talking this article with a grain of salt. Anandtech is not a site for camera reviewing. U can have a look at DXOmark, they are professionals in cameras and now have a dedicated segment for mobiles.

I called bs on this sentence btw.
Those sensors are both from Sony, using a same tech and have same pixel counts. The smaller one is worse, period.

Also something iPhone does not have is Dual Pixel focus which is the a must for me.
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Does the X have a 3.5mm headphone jack? No? Oh well a 20 times cheaper Asian brand phone does have it. Guess you just gotta hack it in again like strangeparts did. LOL Apple.
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I recommend talking this article with a grain of salt. Anandtech is not a site for camera reviewing. U can have a look at DXOmark, they are professionals in cameras and now have a dedicated segment for mobiles.

DXO has also given a better score to the iPhone 7+ stills. So this point is moot.

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I called bs on this sentence btw.

Those sensors are both from Sony, using a same tech and have same pixel counts. The smaller one is worse, period.

You realize that they are not saying the sensors are equal right? They are saying the output from the iPhone is superior despite an inferior sensor. Call BS all you want, I'd simply read more carefully.

EDIT: On a more careful read, it seems that there isn't a direct comparison between the 7+ and 7 Edge on the new Dxo scoring system. So the jury's still out. Whatever.
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Indeed... what is actually required to encode 4k60? CPU, GPU, or other stuff?

Really just an improved acceleration chip in the camera area of the SoC along with enough memory bandwidth. iPhone happens to have it first because their SoC launched at a time off the cycle of other major chipsets. Samsung's Exynos that is about to release pushes way past 4k60 in the camera area and goes all the way to 4k120. Both chipsets have been in development for over a year now and in the end neither spec really matters all too much. Very few people will make use of 120fps recording as it is not fast enough to be "slow mo" recording and too much file size to be of use for anything basic. Even 4k at 60fps is too big a file size for basic recording and people will just use lower res stuff because it is "good enough" for their phone and to send to friends.


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Edit: as well as if it is the first smart phone vendor to encode 4k60 10 bit.

Unless Red is developing their own completely custom SoC for the chipset, it wont be the first to hit anything. Their only hope for that spec is Samsung's new Exynos processor and if they do use that then Samsung will have already beaten them to the spec.The next Snapdragon will probably have that sort of spec too, but that is also a bit away, even more than the new Exynos.

EDIT: Im only talking about the actual phones capability here. Red can do whatever they want in an attachment and all they need to do is pass the finishes data to the phone storage. They may go that route but then it isnt really that the phone is capable of such, but rather a big camera unit is capable of such a feat.
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a 2009 Canon D7 DSLR vs iPhone 7 - terrible pics and lighting, but it's for comparison purposes.
Lighting conditions where the same in all shots, only thing that changed, was ISO, aperture and shutter speed on the DSLR of course. Can't really change much on the iPhone.

iPhone 7 (Click to show)


DSLR (Click to show)



Just by changing shutter speed, I get to capture the fan blades as if they were still. Shutter speed slow vs fast - DSLR (Click to show)







Phone cameras are still not capable of something like this? or am I wrong? Can a phone take this pic? (Click to show)
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